Why bribe? Just defend like a diplomat!

[rah]

YEs, the one city has been know for awhile.
There has been condsiderable debate about two cities. I've seen some heroic defense from the second city, but nothing that has stood to the rigors of testing.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Does it make a difference if there are any NON Settlers running around? I can't imagine that it would, but if you lose your one city with a NON Settler still in existence, the game isn't over (well, not officially over ) and I am guessing that the invulnerable defender trick was intended to prevent early demises...

In rare games, I've tipped a hut and come up with barbarians before the second city was founded... in those games, I've sometimes delayed founding until the barb Archer/chariot was defeated.

[solo]

STOYM,

I had a NON settler at the time, so I guess it makes no difference.

[duke o' york]

No, if you have a NON settler, then it's just like playing OCC. The barbs can't take your only city, no matter what the situation in OCC (as long as it's defended. ).

I was puzzled by the first rule in the four posted by Marquis, but I suppose that even if you have other units in the city, then the dip will have the lowest defence and automatically defend last. The only way you'll get a superdip is if you've only got one unit.

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That's the trouble with posting on forums like this - when I want to sound sarcastic it never works, and now I sound sarcastic when I had no intention of doing so.
Sorry if anyone took offence - Monk is a valued member of this community, and we value your efforts to keep him here most highly.

[Zenon]

Originally posted by solo
It may be that one's capital gets special defense, even if there is more than one city.

Solo, there is an ongoing defense bonus for the capital against barbarian attacks. In this thread are some results:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84819

Zenon

[Bloody Monk]

Yep, that thread had many good points from both you, Zenon, and Elephant. And if I read it correctly, SlowThinker tested the 2nd city defense bonus as being ~ 2.5x for warrior -v- Barb Archer.

Monk

[Julius Brenzaida]

Just for the fun of going a bit off topic in this interesting thread : If I recall the AI has an overall bonus against barb, but what about the AI capitals ?
In the "scorched-earth" succession game, Barbs have captured very earlySamarkand (city of mongol ai civ) and landed a billion assault against Kakarokorum without any success.
Has anyone else taken notice

[SlowThinker]

Julius,
If you look at that linked thread you will see I noticed that in my tests.

[solo]

Thanks for the pointer to that excellent thread.

ST,

I am nearing your kind of city totals in EL #7, but have yet to try Xinning with disorder. You might like trying that game too if you are not too busy knocking off opponents in your new style of MP games.

[Julius Brenzaida]

Originally posted by SlowThinker
Julius,
If you look at that linked thread you will see I noticed that in my tests.

Sorry
I didn't took time to follow the link
I wonder if the Apolyton community knows more about the game than the programmers themselves (considering they had split tasks)

[Bloody Monk]

I agree, Julius.

I also think the collective community effort has revealed the game to be far more than its creators ever dreamed. Perhaps the games' creation was overshadowed by a Divine Hand.

Monk

[Straybow]

[aside to She Who Helps] I also took the darker hints to mean the loss of Civving. I'm glad that is clear now, and thank you for keeping the Monk going.

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I'm sure the synergy of some features have been a surprise to team members who lurk in these and other fan forums.
It would be interesting if someone came up with a crack that stripped some of the benefits against barbs.

[Scouse Gits]

Noone has yet directly answered my question

I recall holding the one city with a number > 1 of camels - yes, I am confident that a camel will hold against infinite barbs - but as I read the above it is felt that only the last camel will do so - this conflicts with my memory ...

Stu

[duke o' york]

As far as I am concerned, and all Civ experience has shown me, then as long as you only have one city, and a guard of any kind, then the barbs are unable to take this city. If you have more than one guard, the barbs are unable to kill the first defender, or even to cause it any damage.

[rah]

Agreed.