The (Second) MGE Sailing Succession game

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
STYOM:

Lighthouse gives unsinkable boats?



Can't remember the last time I built that wonder.

As for the Marketplace, I did plan to slow the build and work the sea tiles. So the next person will have to keep that in mind.

Yup - unsinkable Triremes would make moving around, easier. SG(2) was reputed to be the master of the Lighthouse/Sun Tzu/Magellan strategy - and LH was very popular in some succession games in the past.

MPE would be more key, IMO, if we didn't have mobility problems that needed to be solved first. If MapMaking comes via trade, then we may be outgunned in the wonder race for LH.

[Bloody Monk]

STYOM,

Trying to remember what open tech tree implies--it still requires one to have the necessary prerequisites, but makes ALL such techs available each time. Is this correct??

Is there a rule against using the "black arts" for over the horizon intelligence gathering??

Monk

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
STYOM,

Trying to remember what open tech tree implies--it still requires one to have the necessary prerequisites, but makes ALL such techs available each time. Is this correct??

Is there a rule against using the "black arts" for over the horizon intelligence gathering??

Monk

Your interpretation of the open tech tree is correct

As far as blackclicking goes... I don't do it, and I prefer others not do it. But it's hard to police, so it's not expressly forbidden. And besides, it's a very big map

[La Fayette]

The Monk said the plain truth: if we stay stuck on this tiny island, we are toast

(hence the high priority to be given to LH)

[Scouse Gits]

OK - that's me up in this & Sticky Tricky ... this might be faster,

Stu

[Scouse Gits]

We are sailing (soon)

2000BC = Barracks swapped into Colossus - 12 shields lost - we will have the LightHouse!

Thucydides proclaims us the most unenlightened nation -

1800BC = 28 beakers in the box - workers moved out to sea so as to increase beaker revenue to 5/turn - this choice of Currency is going to cost us dear!

1600BC = Currency->Map Making; we remark that our new found skill is blue on the tech list ; Maps will cost us 60 beakers - this is 15 turns @ 4 which allows us some growth and brings the LH to within 25 turns at natural growth and with extreme measures inside 20 turns - this is the best I can manage ...

1400BC = Chinese undertake Pyramids; Carthaginians Colossus;

1050BC = Mongols undertake Colossus;

1000BC = Maps now 3 turns away; Colossus (LH) 13 turns, but in extremis we have over 35 wonder shields in the bank and the arsenal - we should be safe; For my money get thee to Monarchy now and start celebrating for the extra trade - but mayhap Republic is viable - I personally don't think so ...

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Good turns Stu Probably LH is the best move, at the moment.

Play list:

1. Oldnslow
2. Ben Kenobi
3. SG[1]
4. Sore Loser (skipped if MGE not installed)
5. Jrabbit
6. La Fayette
7. Straybow
8...

Sore hasn't indicated for sure whether he can play yet, so Jrabbit is next.

[Bloody Monk]

Well and rightly done, Stu!!

And after LH, must get Magellan somewhat soon, for the call of the sea is irresistible. Must go a viking!!

@STYOM

Are you going to sit this one out?? It's true you've seen the map, but after the first few turn cycles, that memory will fade. You could come in at the end of the third cycle.... Just a thought.

Monk

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
@STYOM

Are you going to sit this one out?? It's true you've seen the map, but after the first few turn cycles, that memory will fade. You could come in at the end of the third cycle.... Just a thought.

Monk

I don't think I should play yet. Once we have done a bit of exploring, I will probably jump in at the end of the playlist. The first turns go pretty fast anyway, so it shouldn't be too much of an effort for the current participants to move things along.

[Scouse Gits]

In the (IMO unlikely) event of Maps coming in white - why do I suspect that our distant enemies in waiting have a substantial tech lead? We might consider keeping the big bronze statue as this is the only way we can concievably increase our tech rate in the immediate future - but that strategy would definitely endanger the LH - a brave man's course perhaps?

Stu

[Scouse Gits]

SG(2) was reputed to be the master of the Lighthouse/Sun Tzu/Magellan strategy

Near - Ivor loved the LH & Magellan - Sun Tzu doesn't work for ships - LH does that too! So you only need the two to enjoy the Super IronClad

Stu

[Scouse Gits]

Which reminds me - in the days of triremes a Vet Trireme is virtually unsinkable - so the Power of the LH is even greater than most people think ...

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Sun Tzu doesn't work for ships - LH does that too! So you only need the two to enjoy the Super IronClad

Though I should have my head examined for questioning a master...are you sure of the above? I was quite certain that Sun Tzu's gives veteran ships after a successful battle.

/me

[Scouse Gits]

Ah - yes ! I believe that you are right, but after a successful battle - not on build as would happen for land units and as does happen for vessels built under the shadow of the LH

Stu

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
In the (IMO unlikely) event of Maps coming in white - why do I suspect that our distant enemies in waiting have a substantial tech lead? We might consider keeping the big bronze statue as this is the only way we can concievably increase our tech rate in the immediate future - but that strategy would definitely endanger the LH - a brave man's course perhaps?

Stu

A dangerous but possibly smashing choice. Losing out on LH would be a disaster but we need more science output. A huge temptation, no doubt.

But I would not gamble on getting both. One or both of the Colossus builders will have map making and switch to LH if we build the Bronze guy first. Or so I believe. Looks like science will have to come from theft and plunder.

Our lack of discoveries also cautions against having anything to swap, much less gift for maps, if we go for MPE. Something to consider.

I believe Sun Tzu will give vet status to any unit that wins a combat.

Monk