[PBEM] Europe Classic 4

[sabrewolf]

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are you aware that you are in control of 4 holy cities? and that's after you played 80% of the game so far without a single one of your own

[g_storrow]

no I havent had time to take proper stock. I will try and sort that out soon.

[sabrewolf]

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i've just generated the jewish shrine. i'm surprised geomodder had not spread jewism around more

[GeoModder]

No Great Prophet ever spawned in my cities... so to whom should I have spread it by use of monks? Eastwards?

[sabrewolf]

well, you could have gone for them... with your civics, traits and national epic you could have had one in... 0.5 turns?

but you chose to go all-out merchants (though admittedly, in the short run they are the most powerful!)

[sabrewolf]

geo, ATM i am pushing for GPs. in my capital i'm running 4 engineers and 1 merchant, after before having 4 priests and 1 engineer. production is extremely decent (i'm still using bureaucracy ever since the oracle ) and i'm clocking 50 GPPs per turn. it would be faster with national epic, but i want IW and OU/WS in the capital

[sabrewolf]

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[sabrewolf]

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i'm a bit confused... your GNP may be slightly lower, but despite that you have not got a big cash surplus, your research seems to be very slow

when we started the wars we were virtually even, and now i'm some 5000 beakers ahead, despite giving you nearly 1000 beakers in that deal before... what are you doing with all that money... rushbuying?

[g_storrow]

GPS and sent.
Your GNP is over double mine last time I checked. I think that is why you are hammering me at tech. I have not rushbuyed anything. I think I upgraded a maceman to a grenadier.
I am running at 60% tech and am making a loss at the moment not loads of a loss as I dont want to lose all m money at once. I will trade you demo for corp and economy, which will hopefully increase my GNP. After I have nearly finished SoL.

[sabrewolf]

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ok, i guess your infrastructure was not able to handle all the new cities! i only got 3 new cities from geomodder and you got some 4 from dauphin and 2 or 3 from saladin. now that's of course biting you in the arse

as for democracy: it's not worth much to me if you won't give it to me immediately! SoL is cool, i've already got the one civic... and if you'd switch to emancipation in the beginning i'd even have unhappiness until you trade!!!

so, what shall we do? i won't push for SoL if you want it (i prefer to build more infrastructure ), but i do want some cash from unused shields. considering that i have no copper, you'll beat me to it anyhow.

i propose following agreement:
- you give me democracy as soon as you get it...
- i pay for it in trade for economics and corporation.
- i promise that i will let you get SoL, but will also build it for the cash. make sure you tell me how many turns are missing for you that i don't accidentially build it and so i can chose the right city to start it.
- we don't immediately switch to emancipation.

if you can't agree, i'll have to research democracy myself and will also fight for SoL. considering that i have bureaucracy and iron works, my capital can easily compensate for the lack of copper.

[g_storrow]

do you know which year the turns are up?

sounds reasonable to me the deal apart from one thing. Why dont you want to run emacipation. I woudl liek to run it soooner rather than later to turn my hamlets into towns. Is this just for a few turns or a lot. If you can explian I would understand a little better.
the demo 2800 v econ & corp 3000. I thought you were giving me 20% + for demo
What are you researching at the moment?

[sabrewolf]

do you mean when the game ends? i think we're not even halfway yet. you can check somewhere in the F8 screen and there "settings". but unless we're in an everlasting war, of of us will get the spaceship before...

i just don't want you to switch to emancipation before i also get democracy, that's all. so if you -immediately after you get it- offer economics for democracy, then go ahead i'll have to give you corporation in the turn after that... they are succeeding techs so not possible in one go.

as for the trade rate, i agreed on 20%. 2800 + 20% = 3360.
but you wrote yourself:

I will trade you demo for corp and economy, which will hopefully increase my GNP. After I have nearly finished SoL.

but alright, i can instead of Eco+Corp offer you steam power. that's 3200 beakers. now as i'm not racing you for SoL (which i'd win!), that can be a bit of a discount.

and as act of goodwill i'll throw in 10% of the cash i get from SoL payoff. so with ideal timing that would be 100 gold. this will motivate you to keep me informed about your building progress

[sabrewolf]

btw, you are lucky with the timing... pretty much around the time when our minimal peace agreement expires, you will be in posession of infantry, which would basically void the power of all our units cavalry. now... i might have them upgraded to helicopters by then, but those still don't really punch well through well-defended infantry cities (unless suiciding lots of 'em).

so you can expect me to visit you with tanks :muahahaha:

[g_storrow]

No I will take the 20% later I need corp and econmics for the commerce.
What are you researching now?

I meant the 50 turns of unable to attack each other. do you know when they end. I will want to be able to defend myself from your modern armor with my macemen

[sabrewolf]

ok, so you'll get 360 beakers later on (not 20%, because same conditions apply).
economics --> free market
corporation --> 1 extra trade route
steam power --> required tech for railroads.
so earlier GNP vs. earlier production


those 50 turns are also approx. half way through. i'll check the event log when i get home. but again: 50 turns peace does not mean guaranteed war at turn 51