Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Robert]

Reloading from Mali's login b/c Germany didn't had a chance to replay his last login. No confirmation if it's important, so let's not take the gamble and wait for Germany.

So: Russia, please replay your turn, don't end it

[France (DoE)]

As I said before, the sub will do what the sub will do. .................... What is "fair?"

The bottom line is that this game is supposed to be about telling stories about the "destiny of empires" not how much money Russia gets and if that's "fair" because it disadvantages somebody else. Someone who is worried about that is too focused on the simple MP goal of winning. If you focus on storytelling, you would not even worry about stuff like that.

So all of you taking time to argue about who should control Arabia... when was the last time you made a good story post? Why don't we start directing more energy there.

Right on, as usual, Mr Ottoman!

[France (DoE)]

Not sure the "shoah" is appropriate, .....

But the 'shoah' must go on!

[Russia (DoE)]

I ended my turn and hit EoT while not realizing that I am the last to play, so the turn rolled.

[Inca (DoE)]

Seems to me both "fronts" of this little European affair are fairly even in strength, and that's with Neander on the sidelines (even if supporting of one side). Not sure anyone can claim the current situation "imbalanced" with a straight face, even if at present the Israelis are finding themselves (controversially) "ganged up on". That's what happens when one makes one's civ a proxy battlefield for a Great Powers war... Perhaps Israel should have considered neutrality and non-military borders if it desired to remain fully intact throughout its history. Certainly, I would have much more sympathy (IC and OOC) had they not so directly involved themselves in these affairs.

Not sure the "shoah" is appropriate, given that the RL Jews didn't actually backstab the Nazis by destroying 20 divisions in a major defeat before their slaughter... perhaps a more militaristic analogy best serves the propaganda? I know which I'd pick, but it wouldn't work for propaganda.

[Robert]

Game's up, 3,5 hours on the clock.

[Robert]

I'm going to reload using the Mali login b/c if I use the last Arab login then there's only 4 minutes on the clock. The Neandor login has been overridden by Neandor's login in the new turn so the Mali login is the best one.

That means that the following re-logins are undone:
- Neandor
- Mali
- Arabia

Please play your last login again. (All 3 of you had a first login earlier in the turn but logged in again later)

[Robert]

@Ottomans / @Russia: the sub doesn't need to be neutral, the sub should just continue to follow the path the civ was taking anyway.
But by letting the civ be played by a player who's not involved, the civ stays independent.

So what the Inca should do now is just continue to do what Arabia is doing, but also doing what is best for Arabia. Just like the normal Arab player would be doing.

[India (DoE)]

is the game down? can't connect.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

As I said before, the sub will do what the sub will do. Im not sure how we know exactly how long Arabia has been away, but it seems to me that I just recently saw some unit action by him. Maybe I am wrong. Anyway maybe the courthouses were placed in the building queue, because Israel has huge espionage from the great wall and is running monster size espy against its neighbors. Perhaps Arabia is trying to even it up a little. Or maybe Arabia has a long term espionage strategy and needs to start running a bunch of spies to implement it. Anyway Incans have exposed this to satisfy the curiosity of Arabia and Russians enemies, because they feign outrage that Arabs sub might god-forbid keep doing what Arabs were doing, ie support Russia.

To me it would be better for subs to just play as they will, answer no questions allay no fears, address no suspicions, because as I have said, there is no "fairness", only my interests versus someone else's. Why is Neandor any more entitled to an explanation of Russian Arabian trades than Turks are of Neandor-Israeli trades? Can I discontine the commercial relationship between Neandor and Israel because I feel its not "fair" to me? I'm sure England feels its "unfair" that a nation without Astronomy keeps showing up with Ships of The Line. Just let the sub play without all this accusations and innuendo. If Incans wants to take and run the civ their way then so be it.

I get it, Russia is in the lead, so we want to disadvantage Russia in some meta-game way. But consider that Turkey is at the bottom and losing Arab support hurts us too, because Russia is our friend. Why hurt Turks for the benefit of civs who are all way ahead of Turkey? Is that "fair"? What is "fair?"

The bottom line is that this game is supposed to be about telling stories about the "destiny of empires" not how much money Russia gets and if that's "fair" because it disadvantages somebody else. Someone who is worried about that is too focused on the simple MP goal of winning. If you focus on storytelling, you would not even worry about stuff like that.

So all of you taking time to argue about who should control Arabia... when was the last time you made a good story post? Why don't we start directing more energy there.

[Russia (DoE)]

See - even the bots wants me to reveal information.

Huge conspiracy!

[Inca (DoE)]

lol

[Russia (DoE)]

I am stuck at civless computer for about 2 hours more. RP said to me he will be back in 1.5 hours some half an hour ago. Sorry for the delay.

[Russia (DoE)]

OK, it seems it will come to proving and judging. Who the judges are going to be?

I will not disclosure personal information in public. Only to the judges and I will obey their decision on the matter.

(It is already happening what Turkey said will happen - Neutrality for the sub is not possible - keeping neutral will be hurt to Russia)

[Germany (DoE)]

Can you get onto RP and play your turn OR maybe just reverse turn order and play now?

RP is not around for much longer. He just wants to know when you are ready and he can reload.