Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Russia (DoE)]

France is around, I chatted with him yesterday in-game. Spirit seemed high

[Germany (DoE)]

I have still no contact whatsoever with France and Vikings.
Guys please contact me..

[Russia (DoE)]

I guess the Ottoman log in as Zulu and divide the Zulu cities - some to Israel and more to Mali to leverage the chances somewhat.

[Inca (DoE)]

Again, no one would want to take Zulu. Ottoman player can attest that it's a really poor civ in many respects. Better choices, especially if Arabia is (unfortunately) leaving the game. The territory is basically just plains hills and 2F2C coastal tiles. There's very little else, save an island that was only recently settled on with some grasslands. A few floodplains, iirc, not much to go on. Yeah, a holy city, but the tech is really backwards regardless. It's workable, but I wouldn't want it.

[Robert]

n/m

[Russia (DoE)]

It is true. The vote showed clearly China to be excluded from the NAP and eliminated.

[England (DoE)]

I don't think the NAP applies to China.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

Hey everyone, a few things:

The most important: sorry but I feel I won't have enough time to commit to this game as I should. RL stuff and I'm already in two other games so I'd prefer if sub would be found. I offer that Bantams take Arabia instead of China, If I get a pm about this I will send the details. Until then I will continue.

Too bad , I missed last turn, not good thing during war against an enemy who can build infantries and machinegunners, while me only rifles.

At this point I don't care, but otherwise I'd object that suddenly an other player takes over China and a ten turns nap is given. Arabia and India defeated the superior forces of China with a huge cost, my army is next to their capital and suddenly I must give 10 turns nap? aham.

[Germany (DoE)]

Please Ottoman, let players speak for themselves..
you always talk from your in-game perspective..

Let's talk about how the game can become as interesting as possible..

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Mali has about 3 times the armies Israel has.
Not to mention that they have infantry while we just have rifles.

Yes sure, and Israel has 3 times the tech that Mali has. Not to mention that Israel has Wonders and a Holy city , Mali has none of that. Israel can buy Infantries and military from Inca or Arabia or whoever. Mali can't buy a Holy city or a Wonder or tech from anyone. Armies only matter if Israel was planning on warring with Mali. If not, Mali's military is irrelevant.

points say nothing.

Points say everything. Military says nothing...

Seriously though, all this points dont matter/ military dont matter is just rhetoric. TBH everything matters, tech, military, land, population, everything... But this is a very old argument, right?

I think it is more "fair" for Mali to get the Zulu cities, but All that really matters is fun, not fairness, since there is no real "fairness." TBH I would't care if Israel got all the Zulu cities(at least in an OOC sense). As always, I can deal with most anything IC.

All I am asking is for Israel to be 100% clear so that Inca player (or me) can go ahead and pull the trigger on the Zulu partition so the game keeps moving.. So are you saying that Israel now wants more of the Zulu cities than just Ai? Again I am only asking because I dont want to confuse matters. If you still don't want any Zulu cities (besides Ai), and re OK with Mali getting the rest then please say so so that there isn't any confusion.

On the other hand, if you really want to get more, then say what you want, so that there is no confusion. Is that not the best way to go?

It would be logical to let Bantams choose..

Bantams already said he wanted China, he already chose, right?

Why can't bantam not take over the Zulu now China is going to be absorbed by the Mongolians?

Nobody wants Zulu, that has been the ongoing issue. China, even in their defeated state are still way more attractive than Zulu.

Inca has just said that Zulu are basically worthless. So why would Bantams want to take them over? China is still top-ranked. Plus, if Zulu are worthless then what is the fear/harm of giving them over to Mali? I mean Mali is in last place, geez.

[Germany (DoE)]

It would be logical to let Bantams choose..

[Robert]

Mali has about 3 times the armies Israel has.
Not to mention that they have infantry while we just have rifles.

points say nothing. We gathered our points before Russia/Ottomans beated the hell out of us

Why can't bantam not take over the Zulu now China is going to be absorbed by the Mongolians?

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Israel is already 300 pts ahead of Mali, not to mention being substantially more technologically advanced. I estimate (unscientifically) right now Israel holds about 40% of the African continent. Zulu and Mali have about 20% each, with Turkey and France holding about 10% apiece. Mali absorbing Zulu (aside from Ai) would still probably not even make them equal with Israel (they will probably gain like 200 pts or less). Not to mention that Israel already refused the Zulu cities.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

If Mongolia is still playing, why not give them the rest of China? They certainly are in the worst position in Asia.

[Inca (DoE)]

Well, do we still need me to split up Zulu then or not? Leaving them to AI means basically they'll be destroyed in 10T without fail. They have no military and horribly obsolete techs. It's probably fairer to divide them now in a just process rather than just let the two carve them up quickly. Why bother with that formality in this case?

So, what did we decide for the restart: nothing is changed, save a 10T NAP for all?