New Horizons - New Diplogame Set-Up Thread

[OzzyKP]

Hmmm, that first one I gave worked fine for me from my other computer (same network though, so maybe that's it). I went to whatsmyip.com and it told me: 98.231.218.249.

I tried that from my desktop and it didn't work.

Any ideas?

[Heraclitus]

No Byzantines. If we were going for a classical world, Mediterranean based game, then sure. I'd actually be interested in doing that game at some point (Rome, Greece, Byzantium, Persia, Egypt, Carthage, Babylon, Celts?, Sumeria, Israel, could be fun). But not now.

Aren't we doing a Europe game? Byzantines lasted till 1453 so I think they qualify as a medieval civ... What about putting the Ottomans in the Bosporus and using the Greeks then?


Also will we have Arabs (I'd be interested in them too) in or not considering we dropped the Carthaginians?

Also since we aren't playing Rhye's and fall is anyone up for the NextWar mod? It plays just like regular civ except having a way more awesome modern age.

[LzPrst]

hmmm...

[Greece (DoC)]

Ok, I put up a test game. IP: 192.168.11.5 no password. A very quick 1 hour timer, just to make sure the turn advances properly. I'll leave it up the next day or two. Feel free to pop in, play a civ or two, and leave. See if we can avoid OOS and things move smoothly.

ozzy, that is an internal ip address - NOT your proper external IP.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, I put up a test game. IP: 192.168.11.5 no password. A very quick 1 hour timer, just to make sure the turn advances properly. I'll leave it up the next day or two. Feel free to pop in, play a civ or two, and leave. See if we can avoid OOS and things move smoothly.

[OzzyKP]

No Byzantines. If we were going for a classical world, Mediterranean based game, then sure. I'd actually be interested in doing that game at some point (Rome, Greece, Byzantium, Persia, Egypt, Carthage, Babylon, Celts?, Sumeria, Israel, could be fun). But not now.

[LzPrst]

we could put Byzantines in the bosporus and the Ottomans in central asia....

[OzzyKP]

I'm around for some Pitboss testing tonight.

[OzzyKP]

Well now I think we need to replace the 8th player or we'll have even more empty space than before.

Are people not interested in adding eastern/modded civs then? Hera & Lz's suggestions involve using existing BTS civs, but just moving them around.

[Heraclitus]

I was hoping to play Byzantines


What if we put Russia bit south of St. Petersburg and put Mongols in modern Ukraine? That should balance them as longs as Vikings aren't a prob.


Also I dislike shrinking Enlgand, what if we replace England with the Celts who aren't financial?

[mzprox]

I'm sorry, but DoC takes already too much of my time, I can't really start an other diplogame untill it finishes.. and maybe I will take a break after that. I may be avaible as a temporary sub/(advisor if you are going to dfo it in succession style) though.

[LzPrst]

I've looked at the map a bit.
Looking at natural expansion I assumed the following easy to grab territories for most nations.





Spain will dominate north Africa without much challenge.
Germany will dominate Scandinavia (ocean between England and Scand)
France seems to have the least land... (France should be quite big)

Certain nations will be more challenging to play than others.
England, Spain, Russia, Ottoman are corner civs with fairly easy to defend borders.
Germany, France and partly Italy have challengers on many sides.

I would like to see a Scandinavian (Viking) civ to limit German expansion north, but that would result in yet another border for Germany who already has the most neighbours (5!). However, Germany has a lot of land eastwards to expand into. If we want the Vikings in the game they should start on the small island between Sweden and Denmark (map should be slightly changed to create a land bridge on / off that island).
An Austro-Hungarian empire would be a great addition that would put competition for the eastern plains into the game. However, that will also be another neighbour for Germany.

The map is a bit strange. Great Britain is similarly sized (possibly bigger) in landmass relative to France while in reality, Britain (with Ireland) is merely 2/3rds the size. I believe we should reduce England in size to counterbalance the advantages of being on an island (easy defence, financial civ bonus from alot of ocean).


Suggestion 1
Put in Vikings in the north. Move Germany south and rename them to Austria? The German states weren't united until the late 1800's anyway. With Austria as the main central European player, there will be more room for France and Vikings.

Suggestion 2
Put Germany further east, rename them to Prussia, put in Austria or Vikings as another civ. Vikings will create more fronts for England and Russia. Austria will be a rival to Italy, Ottoman, Prussia and Russia.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, here is the map:


I think I'm going to do most of the options I suggested. I am going to cut down the map where indicated by the black lines. That'll keep it better focused on Europe.

If we decide not to go with the Vikings we can cut off some of the north too. I numbered the civs I think are pretty much mandatory to have in this game. I think also that for geopolitical and balance reasons that we shouldn't have Portugal, the Netherlands and Greece in the game. So that leaves Carthaginians (probably disrupt the feel of having this a Europe game), Vikings, and and eastern civ.

I think the most obvious choice is picking an eastern civ. I indicated the spot that Lithuania, Poland, Hungary and the Ukraine would start. Russia would be moved west a tile or two.

If we are going to use a mod to add in one of those eastern civs then we can use a mod to replace Rome with a modern Italy.

and.... while I didn't want to... I suppose I could be open to adding a 9th civ, just so we don't have too much empty land.

[OzzyKP]

I'm sorry but I'm not in this anymore (see post #118)

Ok, no worries. We've got Toni on deck!

[OzzyKP]

Well we've only got 8 civs. So we couldn't do Mongols AND Polish/Hungarians.

First I'm going to trim the map. I think it needs to happen regardless of what else we do to nerf Russia, it just has too much land in that direction. Plus we don't need all of Iraq on the map.