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  • The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Tech Trade Thread]

    This is the Tech Trade Thread for the Diplo Game "The Dance of Civilizations" (DoC)

    The purpose of this thread is to report Tech Trades made in this game.
    Post in-character story and diplomacy for this game in the Story Thread. Discuss all organizational aspects of this game the Organization Thread.
    Use your Anonymous Apolyton Game Account to put posts in this thread.

    The Dance of Civilizations is a diplomacy game.
    The players try to rule their empires like they are real. Role playing and story telling is an important way to achieve this.
    Fore more information visit the Diplogame FAQ by OzzyKP







    Tech Trade Rule:
    4a. Trading away a tech costs 1 voucher. All players get 8 vouchers. Vouchers cannot be traded away for anything but techs. (this means that civs can give away 8 techs, receive 8 techs for their vouchers, trade 8 techs for 8 techs or a combination of these options.)
    4b. When 4 civs have advanced to the next age (ancient, classical, medieval, renaissance, industrial, modern, future) all techs of the age before the past age can be traded freely in a 1 tech for 1 tech trade without the need to spend vouchers. (If 4 players are in the medieval age, all techs of the ancient age can be traded freely, etc.)
    4c. All tech trades must be reported in the Tech/Units trade thread. For '4a trades', only the 'giver(s)' must be reported. For '4b trades' the explicit deal must be reported. For '4b trades' the 4 civs that are supposed to have advanced into the next age must be listed along with the trade report.

    For more information visit the Organization Thread.


    Trade Log:
    Code:
    updated till post 246
    
    Civilization
    Post	Action			Reporter		Confirmed	Vouchers
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Arabia
    19	Tech to Rome		Arabia		y		-1
    18	Tech from Rome		Rome		y
    44	Tech to Korea		Arabia		y		-1
    44	Tech from Korea		Arabia		y
    49	Tech to Britan		Arabia		y
    102	Tech to Korea		Arabia				
    102	Tech from Korea		Arabia				-1
    159	Tech from Persia	Arabia		y		-1
    189	Tech from Persia	Arabia		y		-1
    196	Tech to Rome		Arabia		y		-1
    196	Tech from Rome		Arabia		y
    							   _______________
    								-6
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Byzantium
    77	Tech to Rome		Rome		y		-1
    77	Tech from Rome		Rome		y
    111	Tech from ???		Byz				-1
    130	Tech from Persia	Persia		y		
    130	Tech to Persia		Persia		y		-1
    137	Tech to ???		Byz				-1
    141	Tech to Greece		Greece
    186	Tech to ???		Byz				-1
    207	Tech from Rome		Rome		y		-1
    208	Tech to Korea		Byzan		y
    212	Tech to Persia		Persia				
    263	Used 1 Voucher		Byzantium			-1
    302	Tech from Persia	Persia		y		-1
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Britan	
    21	Tech from Russia	Britan		y		-1
    40	Tech from Persia	Britan				-1
    49	Tech from Arabia	Arabia		y		-1
    54	Tech from Persia	Britan				-1
    63	2 Techs from Persia	Britan				-2
    103	Tech from Persia	Britan				-1
    119	Tech from Persia	Britan				-1
    158	Tech from Persia	Persia				
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Egypt
    14	Tech to Inca		Inca		y		-1
    14	Tech from Inca		Inca		y		
    36	Tech from Inca		Inca
    41	Tech to Ina		Egypt				-1
    43	Tech from Inca		Inca				
    46	Tech to Korea		Egypt		y		-1
    72	Tech to Inca		Egypt				-1
    80	Tech to Rome		Rome				-1
    80	Tech from Rome		Rome		
    104	Tech to Inca		Inca				-1
    104	Tech from Inca		Inca
    111	Tech to Rome		Rome				-1
    111	Tech from Rome		Rome				
    142	Tech from Rome		Rome
    142	Tech to Rome		Rome				-1
    143	Tech from Inca		Inca			
    143	Tech to Inca		Inca
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    England
    16	Tech to Korea		England		y		-1
    16	Tech from Korea		England		y		
    61	2 Techs to Russia	England		y		-2
    61	2 Techs from Russia	England		y
    109	Tech to Russia		Russia				
    187	Tech to Persia		Persia		y		-1
    187	Tech from Persia	Persia		y
    202	Used 1 voucher		England				-1
    217	Used 1 voucher		England				-1
    261	Used 2 vouchers		England				-2
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Greece
    38	Tech from Korea		Korea				-1
    70	Tech from Korea		Greece
    70	Tech to Korea		Greece				-1
    140	Tech from Rome		Rome		y		-1
    141	Tech from Byzantium	Greece				-1
    243	Voucher used		Greece				-1
    249	Voucher used		Greece				-1
    252	2 Vouchers used		Greece				-2
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Inca
    Post	Deal			Reported by	confirmed	Voucher
    14	Tech to Egypt		Inca		y		-1
    14	Tech from Egypt		Inca		y		
    36	Tech to Egypt		Inca				-1
    41	Tech from Egypt		Egypt		
    43	Tech to Egypt		Inca				-1
    72	Tech from Egypt		Egypt		
    104	Tech to Egypt		Inca				-1
    104	Tech from Egypt		Inca				
    143	Tech to Egypt		Inca				-1
    143	Tech from Egypt		Inca				-1
    184	Tech from Persia	Inca		y		
    184	Tech to Persia		Inca		y		-1
    236	Tech to Russia		Russia				-1
    236	Tech from Russia	Russia
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    India
    26	tech to Mali		Mali
    28	tech to Natives		Natives
    156	tech to Mali		India				-1
    162	tech to Mali		Mali
    173	tech to Natives		Natives				
    204	Used 1 voucher		India				-1
    232	Tech to Mali		India		y		-1
    232	Tech from Mali		India		y	
    245	Used voucher		India				-1
    262	Used voucher		India				-1
    270	Tech to Mali		India				-1
    273	Used 1 voucher		India				-1
    279	Used 1 Voucher		India				-1
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Korea
    15	Tech to Natives		Natives		y		-1
    15	Tech from Natives	Natives		y		
    16	Tech to England		England		y		-1
    16	Tech from England	England		y		
    38	Tech to Greece		Korea				-1				
    38	Tech from Greece	Korea
    44	Tech to Arabia		Arabia		y		-1
    44	Tech from Arabia	Arabia		y
    70	Tech to Greece		Greece				-1
    70	Tech from Greece	Greece				
    99	Tech to Rome		Rome				-1
    99	Tech from Rome		Rome				
    102	Tech to Arabia		Arabia				-1
    102	Tech from Arabia	Arabia				
    208	Tech from Byzan		Byzan		y		-1
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mali
    26	tech from India		Mali				-1
    156	tech from India		India
    162	tech from India		Mali				-1
    232	Tech from India		India		y
    232	Tech to India		India		y		-1
    242	Tech to Natives		Mali		y		-1
    242	Tech from Natives	Mali		y		
    246	Tech to Natives		Mali		y		-1
    246	Tech from Natives	Mali		y		
    270	Tech from India		India				
    296	Tech to Natives		Mali		y		-1
    296	Tech from Natives	Mali		y		-1
    							   _______________
    								-7
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Natives
    15	Toch to Korea		Natives		y		-1
    15	Tech from Korea		Natives		y		
    28	Tech from India		Natives				-1
    173	Tech from India		Natives				-1
    198	Tech to Ottomans	Natives		y		-1
    198	Tech from Ottomans	Natives		y
    242	Tech from Mali		Mali		y		
    242	Tech to Mali		Mali		y		-1
    246	Tech from Mali		Mali		y		
    246	Tech to Mali		Mali		y		-1
    271	Used to vouchers	Natives				-2
    296	Tech from Mali		Mali		y
    296	Tech to Mali		Mali		y
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Ottoman
    160	2 Techs from Persia	Ottoman		y		-2
    198	Tech from Natives	Natives		y		
    198	Tech to Natives		Natives		y		-1
    200	Tech from Persia	Ottoman		y		-1
    234	Tech from Persia	Persia		y		
    234	Tech to Persia		Persia		y		-1
    244	Tech to Rome		Rome				
    254	2 Vouchers used		Ottomans			-2
    							   _______________
    								-6
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Persia
    40	Tech to Britannia	Britan				
    54	Tech to Britannia	Britan				
    63	2 Techs to Britannia	Britan
    79	Tech to Russia		Persia				-1
    103	Tech to Britan		Britan				
    119	Tech to Britan		Britan				
    130	Tech to Byzantium	Persia		y		-1
    130	Tech from Byzantium	Persia		y
    158	Tech to Britannia	Persia				-1
    159	Tech to Arabia		Arabia		y		
    160	2 Techs to Ottoman	Ottoman		y
    176	1 Tech to ????		Persia				-1
    184	Tech to Inca		Inca		y		-1
    184	Tech from Inca		Inca		y
    187	Tech from England	Persia		y
    187	Tech to England		Persia		y		-1
    189	Tech to Arabia		Arabia		y		
    200	Tech to Ottomans	Ottoman		y
    203	Tech to Russia		Persia				
    212	Tech from Byzan		Persia				-1
    234	Tech to Ottomans	Persia		y		-1
    234	Tech from Ottomans	Persia		y		
    302	Tech to Byzantium	Persia		y	
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rome
    18	Tech from Arabia	Arabia		y	
    19	Tech to Arabia		Rome		y		-1
    77	Tech to Byzan		Rome		y		-1
    77	Tech from Byzan		Rome		y		
    80	Tech to Egypt		Rome				-1
    80	Tech from Egypt		Rome
    99	Tech to Korea		Rome				
    99	Tech from Korea		Rome				-1
    111	Tech to Egypt		Rome				-1
    111	Tech from Egypt		Rome
    140	Tech to Greece		Rome		y
    142	Tech to Egypt		Rome				-1
    142	Tech from Egypt		Rome				
    196	Tech from Arabia	Arabia		y
    196	Tech to Arabia		Arabia		y		-1
    207	Tech to Byzantium	Rome		y		
    244	Tech from Ottomans	Rome				-1
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Russia
    21	Tech to Britan		Britan		y
    61	2 Techs from England	England		y
    61	2 Techs to England	England		y		-2
    79	1 Tech from Persia	Persia		
    109	1 Tech from England	Russia				-1
    128	1 Tech to ???		Russia				-1
    183	1 Tech from ???		Russia				-1
    203	Tech from Persia	Persia				-1
    236	Tech from Inca		Russia
    236	Tech to Inca		Russia				-1
    264	Used 1 Voucher		Russia				-1
    							   _______________
    								-8
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Robert; April 9, 2010, 12:14.
    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

  • #2
    I've updated this thread with a voucher table and a tech/era table in the first post.
    Everybody is free to report any tech-era change for any civ, nobody is obligated to do so.
    We will only move to the next tech-trade era if the table above (wich will be duplicated now and then into the latest thread post) shows so. (so no secret tech trading while others don't know yet)
    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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    • #3
      if there are now two civs in medieval, the current tech trade level should be medieval, right?
      Sic Vincit Gloria Mundi

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      • #4
        The correct answer is: No, it should be 4 (check the rules)

        4b. When 4 civs have advanced to the next age (ancient, classical, medieval, renaissance, industrial, modern, future) all techs of the age before the past age can be traded freely in a 1 tech for 1 tech trade without the need to spend vouchers. (If 4 players are in the medieval age, all techs of the ancient age can be traded freely, etc.)


        Right now only techs from the prehistoric age can be traded.
        - Settling
        - Working
        - Walking
        - Waging War
        - Building Barracks
        - Climb hills
        - Swimming
        - Whining

        Feel free to trade those techs
        Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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        • #5
          We'll have tech trading as soon as 2 more civs enter the classical age. (free tech trading)
          Formerly known as "CyberShy"
          Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Robert Plomp View Post
            We'll have tech trading as soon as 2 more civs enter the classical age. (free tech trading)
            You mean the medieval age, right? I think when i get there I will have all the ancient techs so no free tech trade for me

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            • #7
              So all ancient Techs are now available for free trades?

              As surely more than 4 are in classical if two are in medieval already.

              Anyone want to trade with Korzan any of the Ancient Techs ? It no cost to anyone now.

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              • #8
                Sure Ill trade as soon as we meet.
                The civ formerly known as The Holy Empire of Britannia/dutch

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                • #9
                  So from what i gather it goes like this does it

                  1. 4 Civs get to a new era.
                  2. Two Eras below that level any civs that dont have all those techs in that era can now exchange techs for no vouchers.


                  Can other civs GIFT those lower techs for no cost? Does it have to be via trade ?

                  For isntance if i am missing a tech can the No ! civ gift it to me without me having to give him a tech back and neither of us is costed a voucher.

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                  • #10
                    I'm sorry, I said it wrong. It should be medieval age indeed, not classical age.
                    When we're in age 3, techs from age 1 can be traded freely. (when in age 4, techs from trade 2 can be traded freely, etc.)

                    I'm not sure in which age we are, ancient or classical, but we're not in the medieval age yet, which is the only age that makes a difference.

                    When 4 civs discovered one of the following techs we're in the med age:
                    FEUDALISM MEDIEVAL
                    THEOLOGY MEDIEVAL (INDIA)
                    MUSIC MEDIEVAL
                    CIVIL SERVICE MEDIEVAL
                    GUILDS MEDIEVAL
                    DIVINE RIGHT MEDIEVAL
                    PHILOSOPHY MEDIEVAL (PERSIA)
                    PAPER MEDIEVAL
                    BANKING MEDIEVAL
                    MACHINERY MEDIEVAL
                    ENGINEERING MEDIEVAL
                    OPTICS MEDIEVAL
                    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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                    • #11
                      Saladin is pleased to report his wiseguys have reported Alphabet in two decades. I believe that will advance me to the next era and allow me to trade with others ancient techs without reporting vouchers?

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                      • #12
                        No, Saladin. Alphabet will bring you into the classical age. We need 4 players in the medieval age to be able to trade ancient age techs freely.
                        With alphabet you can trade ancient age techs for vouchers though

                        This is how it works:

                        4 players in Era: Then all civs can freely trade:
                        ANCIENT
                        CLASSICAL
                        MEDIEVAL ANCIENT
                        RENAISSANCE CLASSICAL
                        INDUSTRIAL MEDIEVAL
                        MODERN RENAISSANCE
                        FUTURE INDUSTRIAL
                        Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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                        • #13
                          But yea, if you have alphabet you can trade any tech you like with anyone you like, you just need to use vouchers each time.

                          This shouldn't be so confusing people...
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                          • #14
                            Tech to Egypt so lose 1 voucher.
                            Tech from Egypt so they lose 1 Voucher.
                            Last edited by Inca (DoC); October 13, 2009, 15:33.
                            Suwasqa wasi hina simiyoq

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                            • #15
                              Native America has traded techs with Korea.

                              -1 voucher each.
                              I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a man to depend simply upon himself.

                              Lone Man (Isna-la-wica)(Teton Sioux)

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