The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[mzprox]

I don't mind reloading if it saves us from the headache..

[Russia (DoC)]

you can unpause whenever you want...

i just wanted the possibility to change a big mistake and buy a little more time to discuss the matter before the turn progresses.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Russia - Pausing the game without even posting on here that that is what you have done is pretty rude. I've check civstats, it told me I have an hour to play, I don't have long but made the effort to logged in but can't play. Yes I know you are unhappy about something to do with a tech trade, but taking it into your own hands to pause the game is a bit rich.

But hey I know how these things can get to you, and IG I like you! But a post on here to say you had paused it would have been helpful.

Whatever happens now - I insist that I am given the time I need to play my turn, when the game restarts.

[Orb (DoC)]

You traded for a voucher, but that voucher is always used up. You hadnt lost anything in this trade except you "gifted" Brittannia a tech -it's not really a gift actually since they paid/used up a voucher for it. The real gift would have been if you give a tech and you use your own voucher.
There is good reason it should work like this, other ways (I wont explain here) it could be exploited.
So as i said You hadnt lost anything, but if you feel it was unfair you should discuss it with Brittania to receive a tech from them for the same price..

You are 100% right. Arab has lost nothing but if he feels cheated he should take it up with the rules for I have followed the trade rules as written so I have done nothing wrong.

[Russia (DoC)]

this totally messes things up for me!

[Russia (DoC)]

I'm sorry, Russia. I have undone the reload.
You have logged in to the game after the tech exchange, so the auto save I had from you was not the right one.

I have to reload the entire turn to undo the tech exchange.
I don't think that's a good idea. (But others may convince me).

I'd rather say that you do not lose a voucher but next time you're going to trade a tech you do 1 turn research of that tech as well to compensate. (without lowering your research of course)

we cant redo one turn? it really messed me up, cause now I don't have anything to trade away to the civ I traded with for the tech I really needed... There's no war on, so if people could be so kind as to grant me a little relief, that would be really swell...

It was this turn. And the turn isn't even over yet...

[mzprox]

I was led to believe I was trading a tech to Britannia in exchange for a voucher but even though I didn't receive a tech I lose a voucher for transaction and receive the voucher back - nso in effect my vouchers stay the same. WTF! This makes no sense. Why would I trade a tech for nothing?

You traded for a voucher, but that voucher is always used up. You hadnt lost anything in this trade except you "gifted" Brittannia a tech -it's not really a gift actually since they paid/used up a voucher for it. The real gift would have been if you give a tech and you use your own voucher.
There is good reason it should work like this, other ways (I wont explain here) it could be exploited.
So as i said You hadnt lost anything, but if you feel it was unfair you should discuss it with Brittania to receive a tech from them for the same price..

[Robert]

I'm leaving for 2 hours right now. Please don't destroy the game over these 2 issues while I'm away Or I have to check poly on my phone during church, people are not going to like that

[Robert]

@Arabia: please don't pull the "game ender" card. That's not helping us to solve this.
I think that it's fair to ask Britannia for a tech in return in the future.

This is what the rules say:

Tech Trade Rule:
4a. Trading away a tech costs 1 voucher. All players get 8 vouchers. Vouchers cannot be traded away for anything but techs. (this means that civs can give away 8 techs, receive 8 techs for their vouchers, trade 8 techs for 8 techs or a combination of these options.)
4b. When 4 civs have advanced to the next age (ancient, classical, medieval, renaissance, industrial, modern, future) all techs of the age before the past age can be traded freely in a 1 tech for 1 tech trade without the need to spend vouchers. (If 4 players are in the medieval age, all techs of the ancient age can be traded freely, etc.)
4c. All tech trades must be reported in the Tech/Units trade thread. For '4a trades', only the 'giver(s)' must be reported. For '4b trades' the explicit deal must be reported. For '4b trades' the 4 civs that are supposed to have advanced into the next age must be listed along with the trade report.

The bold-red part applies here.
I'm sorry that you did not understand it.
What I usually do in these turns is indeed ask the other party for a tech I like in the future. That's a fair request towards Britannia.

[Robert]

I'm sorry, Russia. I have undone the reload.
You have logged in to the game after the tech exchange, so the auto save I had from you was not the right one.

I have to reload the entire turn to undo the tech exchange.
I don't think that's a good idea. (But others may convince me).

I'd rather say that you do not lose a voucher but next time you're going to trade a tech you do 1 turn research of that tech as well to compensate. (without lowering your research of course)

[Arabia (DoC)]

An Issue With Tech Trades

Rather than polute the tech trade thread now that its been confirmed I traded a tech to Britannia in my mind for absolutely nothing other than the pleasure of getting it up the xxx and ripping myself off.

The rules in this case are not clear regarding tech trading.

I was led to believe I was trading a tech to Britannia in exchange for a voucher but even though I didn't receive a tech I lose a voucher for transaction and receive the voucher back - nso in effect my vouchers stay the same. WTF! This makes no sense. Why would I trade a tech for nothing?

This is a game ender for me unless I receive some sort of compensation from Britannia or a voucher as I thought I was the transaction. Otherwise I gave away Monarchy.

I expect something in return - a voucher or a promise of a comparable tech in the future with a similar exchange of vouchers - or I just played my last turn and you really need to improve these nutsoid tech trading rules.

[Robert]

When did you do it? (so what save do I have to reload?)
Ok, I took the liberty to reload Russia's autosave without consulting the rest of you.
I can undo this reload if that's what everybody wants. But since we lost only a very little time I thought it would be good to reload.

Russia (and others), please next time send me a pm immediately to ask for reload!

[OzzyKP]

**** **** ****!!
I hit the wrong button in a tech trade offer....

could we reload the save? please? I accepted a tech offer that I had researched myself to almost 1 turn away

[Orb (DoC)]

Thant not a really good reason to reload.

[Russia (DoC)]

could we reload the save? please? I accepted a tech offer that I had researched myself to almost 1 turn away