The Dance of Civilizations [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Setup Thread]

[OzzyKP]

What about this as a concept map:

dark-blue: water, passable by galleys/triremes
light-blue: ocean, not passable by galleys/triremes
green: oceans
purple square: starting location

Advantages:
- all civs can contact each other immediately
- lots of islands to discover / settle
- much sea passages, naval is important!
- more discovery when the age of ocean sailing arrives

If all civs start on 1 continent there won't be the importance of the navy!

*There was too much land last game, i suggest that we have less land. This will result in quicker contacts, diplomacy, conflicts, more dynamics between the civs.

*If you average the city count from last game it comes roughly down to 20 cities per person. This is just too much!!

*10-13 cities is plenty

*Again i would like to point that it would be better for the game to have all civs on one land mass - the result will be an explosion of everything (War,pacts,treaties,diplomacy etc) Civs starting on two seperate continents was a good experiment, still as we all saw it turned all to be pretty boring, only in the later game with modern ships it became more interesting.

Ok, the map is done (just some very minor tweaking left for balance purposes). It is roughly CS' concept. There are three main land masses that are all very close to each other, plus other chunks of land across the seas.

The map is very balanced, but still very interesting and unique.

I agree totally with Toni about limiting the amount of space, I did. I ran some tests (just letting the AI play) and after 200 turns on quick (everyone was starting to build spaceships) the AI built, on average, 15 cities per civ, (15 civs). The civ with the most had 21, and the civ with the least had 7. Big difference, I know, but with conquest & uneven colonization it worked out that way. Most civs were near the mean.

[Toni]

Thanks Ozzy I can't wait to find out you did.

So what speed are we playing guys Epic/Normal?

I am leaning more towards the Epic....

[Heraclitus]

Epic.

[St Jon]

I will go with the flow but I really do think this is too cramped.

[OzzyKP]

Cramped = fun.

(as long as everyone is equally cramped)

[Black Knight 427]

Cramped=early border wars and posibly early mass wars. Can't wait to start.

[Heraclitus]

Dosen't cramped also mean people might be resource starved? On the other hand it might stop peacemongerer steamrollers.

[The Priest]

I would go for normal, to avoid the game lasting for ever, but i'll go with the flow.

[Robert]

I've pm'ed #13 and asked him to pick his civ.
Everyone please vote on normal or epic speed.

[Robert]

15 cities on avg sounds pretty good ot me.
Thanks Ozzy!

Also; perhaps you can advise Rasputin now and then? He's not sure about his mp capacities.

[OzzyKP]

Raz is beyond my help.

[Black Knight 427]

I vote Epic

[Black Knight 427]

Civ fanatics have alot of stratigies and tips Raz can use to help improve his MP skills.

[St Jon]

I vote Epic.

BTW. Heraclitus, I am a peaceful player and will avoid war like the plague!

[Toni]

I vote Epic as well.