Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Organization Thread III]

[Pitboss Portugal]

So game has been reloaded? hmm oh well just need to replay my turn i guess. I was so much looking forward for the new turns

[OzzyKP]

Raz

[Toni]

Cyber when you said that you reloaded the save, is that the old turn or just the start of the latest year?

[Robert]

Originally posted by Toni
Cyber when you said that you reloaded the save, is that the old turn or just the start of the latest year?

There was an auto-save of Japan's login. Since Japan getting all Viking cities was the key of the problem I have loaded that save.

That's a save of the current turn. We went about 2 hours back in time.

Conclusion: it's about 5 hours into the curren year turn.

[Toni]

Thank you CS

[Pitboss Korea]

Jesus, and he told me that I overreact to everything and make snap judgements!

I really like Ras though, he is dedicated (in his own way), unfortunately he felt the need to go out like this. I really don't get what infuriated him so much about this game. It wasn't much different from any other diplogame and it left at possibly the most interesting period so far. Very strange.

Oh well.

[Pitboss Portugal]

Cyber I am curious have your reloading cancelled my moves from the begging of this turn?

[Pitboss Vikings]

Originally posted by CyberShy
@^#@^@#^$@!%#!%# you Ras!!!

He has given all his cities to Japan, who refused, but got the cities nontheless.
Now Japan has immediately given the cities back, which I just accepted (on gehalf of the vikings) but now everything that was planned/ build up/ queud, etc. is gone from the VIking empire, trowing it into a really waste of a nation, making it extremely unfun for any new player.

I can't do anything else but load an old save.
I'm sorry guys. I'll immediately take over the Vikings and password protect it.

I'll sub for them for a while first, to fix the empire. (the cities are way too much spread out, many resources haven't been harvested, too many soldiers, etc. etc.

When the empire (Which has huge potential) is back where it belongs we should try to find a sub.

Geez Ras, why are you doing this?

WHY:: becasue this game just wasnt going anywhere for me, yes i i suck at civ but in previous diplo games it didnt matter your ability to play it was still fun and interactive for any player.

This game is just a build build build game.

As for my cities, i have harvested and utilised all of the resources in my part of the world aprat from one corn field in the east.

If my civ is in such a great place then it truly shows how bad i am. I had the portugee look at my civ and he was reasonably happy with what i had done.

Reason for soldiers and there are not that many, is to stop the bloody barbarain invasions.

i had a plan for minimum of two defendersd per city with a roving crew of 5-8 attackers.

But anyway when my only hope for some fun in roman war became obvious that it was point less i lost all interest in this game, and if you had follwoed the posts in the stories you would be aware that i had declared war on the world one by one as people removed their support for the war. so it was all done diplo style.

Finally the gods came to earth and removed the Oldonian leadereship and handed the citys to the japanese.

[Pitboss Japan]

That was great and all but Japan cannot handle so many new cities at once. All that would have done is cripple me to the point of no return. At the most I can only handle getting 3 more cities at the most right now and not with a population over 4. Next time just offer to be someone's vassal like Portugal or Khmer.

[Pitboss Japan]

You know what the thing with Raz isn't even bothering me. It is the Inca who have not posted in MONTHS and are just doing what they want while everyone just over looks them is what is getting me mad.

[Toni]

I suggest that CyberShy as our host send Inca a message, reminding them of the double move and 15 tech trades.

CyberShy i know that Inca reads his diplo messages on civstats. Send them a reminder there.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
WHY:: becasue this game just wasnt going anywhere for me, yes i i suck at civ but in previous diplo games it didnt matter your ability to play it was still fun and interactive for any player.

Why not declare war on one of your neighbours?

This game is just a build build build game.

Then why did you not declare war on your neighbours?

As for my cities, i have harvested and utilised all of the resources in my part of the world aprat from one corn field in the east.

And deers in the north and furs in the north and 2 pigs...

If my civ is in such a great place then it truly shows how bad i am. I had the portugee look at my civ and he was reasonably happy with what i had done.

Your civ has true potential. I think it lacks the keys to perfection and the cities are spread to far away from each other. You also focus too much on early units in every city, and you have no city specialisation. (ie. focus 1 city on unit production, 1 city on tech-specialists, etc.)
You also didn't build a courthouse about anywhere.

Reason for soldiers and there are not that many, is to stop the bloody barbarain invasions.

If you wouldn't had spread your cities that much you would've had a smaller border. Ie. build against 2 natural borders (oceans, mountains) that leaves only 2 borders left to defend, only put more defenders in those cities against that border. Build roads between them so you can move units to the right direction.

i had a plan for minimum of two defendersd per city with a roving crew of 5-8 attackers.

Don't defend cities tha don't need defence.

But anyway when my only hope for some fun in roman war became obvious that it was point less i lost all interest in this game, and if you had follwoed the posts in the stories you would be aware that i had declared war on the world one by one as people removed their support for the war. so it was all done diplo style.

Who has withdrawed support?

Finally the gods came to earth and removed the Oldonian leadereship and handed the citys to the japanese.

Destroying the fun for everyone else!

[Pitboss Japan]

I can answer some of those Questions. He couldn't declare war because either the native or myself would make short work of him. And I understand the building of so many troops. You have no idea how bad the attacks from barbs have been on this side and the only way to stop them was to build cities far apart. And I was one who withdrew my support but that was only because my nation was growing and i needed to build more cities and couldn't keep my focus on building my army to attack rome. As for the rest only raz can explain.

[Pitboss Vikings]

Originally posted by CyberShy


Why not declare war on one of your neighbours?

Becasue i couldnbt build an army big enoguh to attack anyone.. Seeing i wont be returning i played a saved game and tried numerous different attacks on different nations and not one of them succedded. so i owuld have needed to spend anopther 6 months building an army of seige weopons and other units to be able to attack just wyandot city and win. So silly .

And deers in the north and furs in the north and 2 pigs...

Still builsing more settlers ti get to the deer and fur in north and the pigs in south was used but barbarians destroyed the paddocks.

It is hard to build settlers everywhere my stating location had very little resources jsut the base of a moutnain. As i found resources i sent settlers in that direction to get them, and apart from the three barb citys i captured and my cpaital all my citiys were built in places with resources or a stretgic land obttleneck.

The north was my next settlemet. anfd you will notice i had a few workers all busily developuinbg what they could.

Your civ has true potential. I think it lacks the keys to perfection and the cities are spread to far away from each other. You also focus too much on early units in every city, and you have no city specialisation. (ie. focus 1 city on unit production, 1 city on tech-specialists, etc.)
You also didn't build a courthouse about anywhere.

as i said i know notihng of city specialisation, i always been told to buld defenrers i nevery city, so i do this quickly especialy in this game with barbarians everywehre. My citys are al lbuilt with the 4 spaces between them to allow maximum usage of tiles only exceptions are captured barbarian cities. If this game revolves around perfection then it is better i leave , i am no perfectionist. Dont have the time nor the inclination to study every single loophole and micromanagement area to PERFECT the civ. I like to jsut stick every building i can i nevery city. but at same time developing an army to protect agaisnt invaders. never
worked out the dpecialists, never set one of my citizens to be aspecialist and if i find one in a city i put him back to work.

If you wouldn't had spread your cities that much you would've had a smaller border. Ie. build against 2 natural borders (oceans, mountains) that leaves only 2 borders left to defend, only put more defenders in those cities against that border. Build roads between them so you can move units to the right direction.



Don't defend cities tha don't need defence.

actually this is waht i was trying to do.

MY first city was in middle of my nation.

I built my second to the west to tak hold of the sea and prevent attacks from that side.

NExt i headed south following the mountains and built a thitd city, my intent ws to to fill the southern part of my world with citys t ostop barb attacks and then onyl have to defend north and east.

unfortunalty i never got time to do this . i ws attacked from south , east and north continuosly.

It appeared easier to protect my eastern border so built citiys in that direction and got Wyandot support to protect that path.

Then i discovered my southern border was open to attacks from two directions the south west and the south east landbrdsige.

I asdked for wyandot support to protect my north while i focuese on preventing raids from both south directions. I sent settlers to the south east and built therre to protect that area. Finalyl after thousdands of years i managed to get the gateway city founded which bvadsical ly prevernts any barbarian attacks except against the city it self, but it does leaves some pigs exposed.

That left the north and soputh west. I was still being attacked from both directions with no mountains to defend on agsint the babers

So i started planning my expansion north to fill that area.

You wil lnotice all my plans were attempting to do as you suggest, none of my citys were spread out as you say, they were all placed to help expand my border whilst not having citiys to ofar apart. expasnding tothe ocean was my idea.

After 5000 years of playing due to my ineptness i still hadnt managed to get to only two borders exposed. not by my schoice or settling in wrong palces but the shheer layout of the map. hindsight is a wodnerful thing , but remeber when it was all blackness around me i didnt know where the sea ws, and my scout was destryoed early so i had no way of exploring for centuries either.

Who has withdrawed support?

no one ever offered support.

but the actions in preventing my troops movement meant it would be too long for any war to happen.

Destroying the fun for everyone else!

by givcing my cities to japanese it at least would move him out of bnottom area of the world into a mid size nation. would have been good for the game.

[Pitboss Maya]

Raz, I don't want to jump on the "bash raz for quitting" bandwagon, but the bottom line is your civ had a score in the middle of the pack. For someone who "plays for the fun of it" and says they "are not that good at civ" I would think you would be happy with your progress. There are 9 civs ranked below you... should they quit too? YOU WERE DOING BETTER THAN HALF THE PLAYERS IN THIS GAME!

Last time I checked, you were in the TOP 5 for voting points!

And the argument that there are no wars is quite ironic considering what is about to go down.


Anyway.... regarding the 6 hour rule as it is stands...

Civilizations that are at war have to wait 6 hours after the new turn started after their last move. When all opponents have moved before those 6 hours have passed the player can move as again well.

Logically I interpret this to mean: If you move last in a turn (of those involved in a specific war) YOU are the one that must wait 6 hours the next turn before moving... thus giving your opponents a 6 hour window in which to break a "double move" on your part.

Literally I interpret this to mean: Everyone at war must wait 6 hours each turn (since chances are they moved the previous turn) before moving. This can't be what you meant Cyber.

Sorry if I am being picky, or dense , but I don't want to go through the ordeal that happened last time I made a double move. And since I am currently at war, I want to make sure I, and everyone, has a very CLEAR understanding of the rule.

The way it is written now confuses me.