Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Thread] [Warfare-Turn Timer Issue Discussion]

[The Capo]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, I think the combination of vouchers/votes is the best avenue. Any land gained BECAUSE OF/DURING A DOUBLE MOVE should probably be returned too. But I don't think we should take any land as a penalty for using the double move.

@ Raz; I don't think Cybershy is necessarily against this, and if he agrees with this it would probably be best for him to suggest this in the organization thread and we can get votes there. I would suggest the people vote via e-mail (probably in tandem with the next round of voting) so we don't cause another argument.

[Pitboss Japan]

what if they don't want to give it back. or what if they give the land to another civ. then what ?

[Pitboss Vikings]

as i said it doesnt matter what advantage they get in game as the penalty on their voting score wil lbe great.

potentially taking 3/4 of your final score.

so to take a land grab with a double move is the sign of someone tryong to win at all costs. so losing the votes which is the only way to win this GAME is very costly..

[Pitboss Japan]

ok you have convinced me. now for the others.

[Pitboss Vikings]

to ein the majority we need to start with the wise CS...

If he joins the dark side we will win......

[Pitboss Korea]

I don't think he will be against this too much, he might consider the punishments harsh but this is really the only way to make sure we avoid people cheating. Which is the primary point of all of this. And he doesn't have to agree necessarily, he just has to agree to put it up to secret ballot. Which I am sure he will be willing to do so long as we do it at the next round of votes so it doesn't become extra work for him.

[Pitboss Natives]

I have been silent on this aspect - until now.

I agree with Korea, Capo, Vikings and Japan, We have RULES - "if someone abuses [them] we decide punishment on the spot!"

[Pitboss Korea]

I don't see how anybody could disagree with these punishments, as long as they intend on following the rules that is. I move to put this to vote, all ballots to be taken with the NEXT round of voting. Officially we will follow the old format until this is voted upon. All votes will be kept private to protect those that intend on cheating so let it be written, so let it be done...

What does Cybershy say to this?

[Pitboss Vikings]

he wil ldrop by once he has time , he is movign house and his expanding family are a work load in themselves.


this is a 3 part issue.

1. Is a penalty necessary at all
2. If yes. Should the penalty be based on the advantage gotten or a standard penalty.
3. What should the penalty/s be ?

[Pitboss Korea]

In the interest of getting a solid vote on this and finally ending the issue I say we don't leave it so open to more debate, we should combine the punishments. I've lineated there is a normal break which will result in losing 5 tech vouchers and 25% of your total votes (Up to that point), the second would be a gross misuse, which I described as killing multiple units, taking multiple slaves (workers), taking/destroying a city or a settler or a great person and doing it with clear intent you will lose 50% of your total votes (up to that point) and 10 tech vouchers. We should keep it at that as far as the severity of the penalty goes.

This mixes both tech vouchers and votes, and mixes a standard (the former penalty) and a penalty based on the severity of the act (the latter penalty).

This I think is the simplest way to do it, it will result in less debate, and satisfies all positions in the debate.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings


The faxcts are without the double move occuring none of the following events would have occured. the koreans wouldnt have panicked the mayans wouldnt have got the worker.

it is simply a logical progression from one event to another.

the double move created the whole mayan advantage

That's a BS way of reasoning.
A valid move can cause troubles, that doesn't make the valid move invalid or worth a punishment.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
any double move made either during or jsut before the outbreak of was should require a restart, no ifs no buts. this way all other players wil lbe peeved at the person doing it.

that person is then warned.

if he does it again he is remvoed from the game.


now there is some teeth


no arguing over did it give benifit or not. JUST DONT DO IT

I'm never going to reload the game for small reasons.
A reload hurts everybody and many reloads will hurt the game.
We will have endless debates on everything that happens. "Please reload, this happened and we reloaded when that happened as well"

You shouldn't see people that easily as purely evil. People can also make mistakes. If the drawbacks aren't bad there's no reason to freak out over it.

[Robert]

I've said my thing.
I think that you guys are reacting over the top over something small.

It's just the 4 of us debating it, you guys will never give in anyway. Like some people want the dead penatly for everyone who kills someone, even if it was by accident.
If you guys come to a suggestion, post it in the org thread and we can vote over it. If majority agrees we will adopt.

[The Capo]

I don't think it is an overreaction Cybershy. My main purpose for getting in on this is to prevent future arguments. If its simple as adding these penalties into the game (and if you read my posts I made exceptions for legitimate accidents, or leeway for situations where the player absolutely had to move to get the game going) then there should be no reason not to have them. Besides all of that, there's nothing wrong with putting it up to a private ballot that can't be debated.

Plus you guys came up with rules but no way of enforcing them, which is basically the same as never coming up with rules to begin with.

So, I think your attitude is not helping. There's nothing wrong with what has been done in here, if anything it shows people care about the game. If this is going to prevent future arguments, if this is going to prevent people from cheating, there should be no reason not to hold a vote on it. Why you would respond that way is beyond my understanding.

[Pitboss Vikings]

we have made a proposal how long do we wait for repsonses..