What is the best civ/leader combo for MP?

[Blaupanzer]

What is the Babs UU?

[Ming]

Bowmen... replaces archers. Same strength (3) but has advantages against melee units.
(Assuming my memory is correct here)

[rah]

Yeah, I think that's it.

[One_more_turn]

I mentioned Sitting Bull before as my favorite MP leader choice.

In SP games, I never bother to attack him before I have the Grenadiers.

[rah]

Macemen and trebs will do the trick.

[One_more_turn]

Macemen and trebs will do the trick.

Losses will be very high because of the protective + totem pole longbowmen.

[Ming]

Yeah... there will be losses... especially if the cities are on hills. But frankly, that's what tribs are for... to die so that others may live
With enough tribs, even axeman and swordsman can finish the job. I never concern myself too much with the loss of colleratial damage units. You just have to make sure you have enough coming up to the front to make up for the losses, because nothing slows down an advance more than the lack of those units.

[rah]

Losses will be very high because of the protective + totem pole longbowmen.

Yeah, lose more trebs then against other civs. If there's a choice I may choose another target, but usually my AI enemies are chosen for me. (who attacks me, or who has the land/shrines/resources/wonders I want)

[Theben]

Except of course against those MPers who go for Drill IV longbows. Then all the trebs in your empire won't save you... you'll just have to use 3 or 4-1 odds and slug it out.

OF course late game I find that PRO and PHIL traits wane somewhat, especially against FIN civs. That +10-15 extra per city is not possible to keep up with.

[Ming]

When I notice Drill IV Longbows in a border city, I usually decide another direction might be the better way to attack

But seriously... tribs are meant to die. You are going to lose some... and once they are nicked a few times, even Drill IV longbows will die.

[wodan11]

Drill IV longbows are wonderful targets for my fireball throwing archmages.

Oops, I did say I've been playing FFH lately?

[rah]

Yeah, you've mentioned that a few time.

Yeah when I see drill IV longbowman, I'll go after someone else while waiting for cannons.
Even though I've never played FFH, I assume cannons work better than archmages.

[Blaupanzer]

No cannons, so no comparison. FFH plays like a role-playing game based on combat rather than character development. Some folks in the accompanying mods did some great, unrecognizable stuff with the basic build & fight game engine. Really unrecognizable, in FFH's case.

[Blaupanzer]

On OP, the Romans are single-handedly the best civ, IF the player takes advantage of the UU to master all of his neighbors. My experience beyond that says the Incas, Darius and the Persians, and Mali are the best. I have had good luck with Ethiopia, and, if I can last to the Renaissance, with Elizabeth. Louis XIV is also fun and has a fighting chance. One of the crazies (Shaka, Toku, Monty) may also fit your style, if you play in your face from start to finish. I particularly like Monty as that Alter UU (sub for courthouse) is very useful long after I would give up on slavery with the rest of the civs. If you want to "turtle up" and build, then Gilgamesh with the early courthouse and Sitting Bull are good for that both permitting an axeman-period rush with their uu. Just thinking.

[Ming]

I don't mind Shaka that much. While you really have to pay attention to your economy... his early UU with movement can make for some quick rushes. His UB does help the economy some. I'm not a big fan of Monty

Our MP games are usually random civs, so we get the opportunity to play the good and the bad.