Move From Starting Position?

[Blaupanzer]

Walls are good. City ruins where your cities used to be, bad!

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by okblacke
As I'm researching and trying to build, Huyana passes me in points. I'm kicking ass tech-wise, but slipping in production. (Which I don't like at all.) I'm kicking up culture as well, in anticipation of razing Tenochititlan and settling a new city where it is.

There is no purpose to razing a city and putting one in the same place. Culture is tied to the tile, not to a city, so you are better off with whatever population and buildings you get from keeping the city.

[Blaupanzer]

Agree. Unless the city is less than ideally situated, keep the city. Most capitols are ideally situated due to the very concept of "starting positions."

[Theben]

Not to mention capitals often have settled GG's in them.

btw, if Huyana is sending macemen and cats against your cavalry, my only real question is why haven't you destroyed him yet!?

[Theben]

You have a lot of undeveloped specials in that picture and city placement is poor. You likely needed more workers and look where you want to place cities ahead of time.

EDIT: Ok, city placement isn't that bad (it's hard to see tile size from that picture), but you might have wanted to raze Bulgar and put a new city down elsewhere, which would also leave more romm for a coastal city to the north.

[Nikomakkos]

You should have built your capital by the coast, exactly where it is in the first screen shot. Then your next city goes to the copper. Then a river city by the pigs and sugar. Then a coastal city by the fish, gems and bananas.

You shouldn't lack a good production city as there seems to be one up north there by the elephants and copper, if there is a food resource there, preferably two. If there is no food resource there you have to build it just south enough to hook up to those cows. You should get a decent production city there, and in fact it'll be your second city, cause it's the one by the copper .

Don't waste time here. Build loads of axes and a few spears and situate then close to the Aztec border. Then go for catapults and swordsmen and conquer all the Aztec land in one sweep.

Now you can relax and build up.

[okblacke]

Here's the screen shot that goes along with the last post.

[okblacke]

Notes:

-> Yeah, that three-cities-researching-education thing didn't really pan out. The five city one is a restart after taking some initial advice.

-> I didn't know about razing and replacing not helping. I figured it would reduce the number of foreign citizens. Academic anyway since Justinian captured it and now it's starved down to 1.

-> I haven't destroyed Huyana because while I have the tech I don't yet have the production.

-> I've attached the starting point save game.

[Nikomakkos]

Well, that looks better I see you built the cottages. Bad luck that you have a well developed cottage right on the oil. You're gonna have to destroy that one . What a shame.

P.s. I really feel we shared something here. What an intimate experience :P

[okblacke]

Originally posted by Nikomakkos
Well, that looks better I see you built the cottages. Bad luck that you have a well developed cottage right on the oil. You're gonna have to destroy that one . What a shame.

P.s. I really feel we shared something here. What an intimate experience :P

There's another source of oil in the southwest (you can see it through the HUD) which, at the time, Justinian owned, but which has flipped over to me. I probably should tear down the cottage anyway, but for now, I'm holding on to it.

Julius Caesar solicited me to attack Huyana so I went along (oh, that demon peer pressure ) and took one city, which was enough to knock him down a rank.

But now freakin' Justinian is beating me on points! Near as I can tell his cities are protected by musketmen, so my plan is to finish the Pentagon and blitz his three cities to my south.

Yeesh.

[Zenn-La]

I like to place my village's on a hill which is covered in forest for the 75% defense bonus. Is that good strategy or should i be more concerned about getting the best tiles possible?

[rah]

If by village you mean cities, when you build the city the forest dissapears so it's only 25% defensive bonus.
(unlike civ II where the forest stayed)

[Zenn-La]

Originally posted by rah
If by village you mean cities, when you build the city the forest dissapears so it's only 25% defensive bonus.
(unlike civ II where the forest stayed)

Yes my city, so is the 25% worth it? Or should a better tile or two be of more importance to me?

[Garth Vader]

A better tile is usually more important. How often do your cities get attacked?

[rah]

Yes, I prefer to attack then defend. He who gets to use their seige units first usually wins.

Better tiles usually is better but the extra hammer from a plains hills city can make a big difference early.

I've always thought that this was a bug but they've never changed it in any of the expansions or patches.

Sometimes, I'll have a "BAIT" city to attract enemy SODs and they're usually on a hill, but it's my usual stratagy to not have my cities attacked.