Where are the great engineers?

[MyOlde]

If the library allows you to have 2 science specialists, what allows for 2 engineers? The forge allows only one so is there something I'm missing?

[wodan11]

Nothing you're missing.

Some wonders allow for more Great Engineer GPP. Or, you can put in Ironworks, or factories (etc) that allow you to run more Engineer specialists.

Wodan

[Willem]

Well there is the Industrial Park later in the game, if you have BtS. It not only allows two Engineers but gives you a free one as well.

[MyOlde]

Thanks, guys. Too bad there's nothing earlier. I'd like to spawn more GEs to give me instant (or almost) on my wonders.

[Willem]

Originally posted by MyOlde
I'd like to spawn more GEs to give me instant (or almost) on my wonders.

Which is exactly why Firaxis made them scarce in the early game.

[snoopy369]

Indeed... GE is in some ways the most powerful GP in terms of generating MORE gp's, so it's made the hardest to get. Great Wall used to get GEGPP, now great spy... that was a great gambit:
1. Build Great Wall ASAP
2. Get Great Engineer
3. Use GE to build Pyramids
4. Build other GE wonders as you can, using regular building; settle all of the GE's for megahammers.
...
6. Profit!

[Theben]

A city with PHIL leadership and Pyramids/Hanging Gardens/Hagia Sophia and forge w/engineer specialist can still churn out GEs fairly quick. The problem is once you start building other wonders you either muddle the GE pool in that city, or you have another city which is constantly beating your GE city to the punch.

[Bkeela]

Originally posted by Theben
A city with PHIL leadership and Pyramids/Hanging Gardens/Hagia Sophia and forge w/engineer specialist can still churn out GEs fairly quick. The problem is once you start building other wonders you either muddle the GE pool in that city, or you have another city which is constantly beating your GE city to the punch.

Why Hanging Gardens? I thought it produced Great Artists?

But yeah, trying to keep a pure GE pool is not easy. Especially when my own civilization assigns specialists without my knowledge. Have to go on regular tours to make sure things are as I want.

[snoopy369]

Fairly quick, but not nearly as fast as the GW rush. Pyramids also cost a LOT to get out in terms of lost growth potential - you have to build them at a rather key point in your development.

The key of course is to put the GE specialists in some other city... Your GW city would be your capital or another early city, no reason to assume that's your hammer city (as the point is that the GW is cheap, as is the hanging gardens).

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Bkeela


Why Hanging Gardens? I thought it produced Great Artists?

But yeah, trying to keep a pure GE pool is not easy. Especially when my own civilization assigns specialists without my knowledge. Have to go on regular tours to make sure things are as I want.

Nope, HG produces GE's.

I don't think it's practical to keep a pure GE pool anymore, since you need the pyramids to do it and that's got to be built in your main hammer city (unless you have two).

[Theben]

Originally posted by snoopy369

The key of course is to put the GE specialists in some other city... Your GW city would be your capital or another early city, no reason to assume that's your hammer city (as the point is that the GW is cheap, as is the hanging gardens).

Of course, which is why I usually have 4 cities before I even think about it. The 1st is building science/commerce/specialist wonders (specialist being Artemis and Great Lib) and the 2nd GE wonders. the other 2 expand and build armies.

There is also an event (with forges) that will allow you to settle an engineer specialist in your capital. If you can do that early enough it can boost your chances at getting GEs.

[Supr49er]

Great Engineer
Wonders: Pyramids; Hanging Gardens; Hagia Sofia; Cristo Redentor, Three Gorges Dam.
National Wonder: Iron Works.
Buildings: Forge; Factory; Industrial Park
Civics: Mercantilism

[MyOlde]

Thanks all for all the great information.

[Theben]

Mercantilism doesn't give you any extra GEs or GE points. It does give you a free specialist that you can use towards an engineer.

If you're gonna mention that you should also list Statue of Liberty and National Park.

[MoonWolf]

IIRC, national park gives you only free specialists within the limits set by the buildings you have. At least in of my current games, I wasn't able to extend the number of great engineers to more that was possible by buildings.