Yet another start thread

[Seedle]

Yes, it is another thread featuring a good start. I like these threads because it is easier just to download and play than it is to hit regenerate map 10 times trying to get a start that isn't just desert everywhere, or has a capital with a plains silk as its only resource. So post more good starts people!

The start is huge,pangaea. It is also noble/marathon/Washington/Inca, but those can be changed with worldbuilder. I really, really wish I had been a financial leader, or at least Philo for this capital. Anyway, the capital is nice, and the map in general is very good. Give it a play.

http://apolyton.net/upload/view/90347_WHY.CivBeyondSwordSave

[Vampgelus]

Washington / Inca is a no-brainer against AI Just take out 2 ennemys, or 3, and settle like hell. Once you got 2 cottages running in each city, you have won the game (you may get close to economical collapse before that).

[couerdelion]

The wines-plains hill looks tempting for a capital site. It's one draw-back is that it leaves you will some pretty poor starter tiles. I'd still be tempted to move to the hill and settle there and then work the plains wine while researching Polytheism. (15 commerce from start)

[Aro]

Re: Yet another start thread

Originally posted by Seedle

noble/marathon/Washington/Inca, but those can be changed with worldbuilder.
http://apolyton.net/upload/view/9034...eyondSwordSave

Changed? How?

I don't know how to use this stupid worldbuilder...

[martin mcmartin]

click ctrl-W to enter worldbuilder..

Mc

[ColdPhoenix]

Didn't think you could change the settings or civs in the worldbuilder. Would be good if you can as I sometimes start a game and realise that I'm not playing on the settings I wanted.

[Aro]

Originally posted by martin mcmartin
click ctrl-W to enter worldbuilder..

Mc

Thanks...

But I know how to enter in the worldbuilder. My problem is exactly how changing settings and things like that.

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by ColdPhoenix
Didn't think you could change the settings or civs in the worldbuilder. Would be good if you can as I sometimes start a game and realise that I'm not playing on the settings I wanted.

Can't the game be saved as a scenario, then you can change the options?

[Tuberski]

Yep, I've done that before.

ACK!

[wodan11]

Originally posted by couerdelion
The wines-plains hill looks tempting for a capital site. It's one draw-back is that it leaves you will some pretty poor starter tiles. I'd still be tempted to move to the hill and settle there and then work the plains wine while researching Polytheism. (15 commerce from start)

Pretty poor starter tiles? 4 FP + Rice and then farm & mine the wine is what you call "poor"? You must play on tough mapscripts.

Wodan

[Crossfire]

Nice start but I think I would have moved in the 1 direction one tile so that I had more hammers available to build early wonders to take advantage of all that commerce you will get from the fp.

[Krill]

Originally posted by wodan11

Pretty poor starter tiles? 4 FP + Rice and then farm & mine the wine is what you call "poor"? You must play on tough mapscripts.

Wodan

Look agin.

[Seedle]

For those with worldbuilder questions: As has been said, game speed and difficulty can be altered merely by saving as a scenario (as a worldbuilder save, in other words) and starting that up from the main menu. Changing leader and civ requires a little more work. The details are here, thanks Dale, great guide: Dale'sWorldBuilderManual
but I'll give a short version.

Save the file as a worldbuilder save. Start another game with the leader/civ you want to put in this game. Save that game as a worldbuilder as well. Open both WB saves with Notepad. In this game's save, there will be two lists of teams, on which gives the starting techs, one which has the civ and leader info. Change the starting techs for team zero (that would be the human players team) to whatever you want. Then copy the civ and leader info from the other WB save to this WB save, replacing the inca/washington stuff under team zero. It's not as hard as I'm probably making it sound, it's really easy, just do it, it will make sense.

This is great for when you have any map that you really like, and want to play again, but don't want to be the same civ.

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by wodan11

Pretty poor starter tiles? 4 FP + Rice and then farm & mine the wine is what you call "poor"? You must play on tough mapscripts.

Wodan

The plains hill start gives a 2/2/3 city tile with 5 floodplains, 2 plains river wines and a grassland, forest silk. The reason why I judge this to be a poor starter city is that it provides little in the way of food/production that will be necessary for building settlers.

Now that I look at it more, I think it might be better to settle 1 tile east to give a 2/1/3 city tile +2 wine, 4 FP, Rice and another hill. It’s a slightly slower start than settling on the hill but there are a few tiles there that can be used for settlers/workers (not to mention Quecha) and the early religion gambit using the 15 commerce start is still quite easy (in fact easier since the hill settling costs you one turn)

[Theben]

5 floodplains is bad food production?