Which leader for each civ ?

[Theben]

I offer Alexander or Lincoln of the Romans, with either AGG or CHA for the Prats and PHIL to syng with their =+25% GP markets...

[Vampgelus]

Actually, a Phi leader will get less out of the UB then an IND leader.

[Theben]

IND gets you 2 things: cheap forges and cheaper wonders. Assuming one is playing SP, this can be resolved by 1)slaving forges, which isn't hard, and 2) getting and maintaining a tech lead over the AI, which also isn't hard. I rarely have a problem getting the wonders I want, except early in the game. So I don't value IND highly. I agree that there is diminishing returns with +%, but the more the better, right?

[Vampgelus]

Yeah, it's just the general increase which is higher for IND. Assuming you are PHI, are running pacifism, got Parthenon and national epic (+350% ). That +25% would only give you a general increase of 7,14%. If you are just industrious and got Pathenon and National epic (not running pacifism) that climbs up to (+150 ) 16,67% general increase.

I agree, the more the better, but with a PHI, you just don't feel the difference that much, because the multipliers are additive and not multiplicative with each other. ( 10 +100% +100% gives you 10 + 10 + 10 = 30 and not 10x2=20 , x2=40 )

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by Diadem
Inspired by this thread I tried a game with Boudica of the Romans.

It's incredible. Those praets just can not be stopped. They come out of the gate with Combat I and City Raider I, just one point away from City Raider II. They eat through anything in their way. Archers don't even register. I killed my first three civilizations while loosing only one preat.

Axemen are the only thing that has a chance, but even they die easily. You'll quickly have a stack of City Raider 3 praets and even axes can't do much anything against those.

It's just so easy.

Lethal combo.

[Diadem]

Originally posted by Vampgelus
I like samurais over pretorians, because they are usefull for a longer period. As i said, backed by a great amount of siege weapons, they can even get down MGs (considering the huge amount of promotions they got at this point), and they are not limmited to CR + Combat promotions, they can get up the drill path too.

Yeah Samurais are awesome too. Will probably try those for my next offensive SP game. Especially the Drill promotions are nice.

But at very high difficulty levels you won't have samurais before the AI has longbows. And samurais have a harder time against longbows than praets have against archers. So praets certainly have an advantage there.

they might have a somewhat shorter shelf-life, but their earlyness has advantages too!

[Vampgelus]

Samurais don't have a hard time against Longbows at all with Boudica ^^ Just lower citys defenses to 0%, and go for it, they will get out almost without beeing injured. Once you got CR3 and Drill2 there is NOTHING that can withstand them until industrial era.