Benign neglect?

[Wiglaf]

- worker management of tile improvements. Never leave this up to the AI... it's broken. (Excepts perhaps letting your workers do "trade networks" which means just roads and resources.)

But if playing on noble, isn't it cheating to not leave it up to the AI. Since the AI relies on the same algorithms to manage its own cities. So you should only do this when the AI gets unfair bonuses.

[Vampgelus]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


But if playing on noble, isn't it cheating to not leave it up to the AI. Since the AI relies on the same algorithms to manage its own cities. So you should only do this when the AI gets unfair bonuses.

Sound's like you have a sense of honor towards an AI

Seriously, the AI is as stupid as at any level on noble, you are just handicaped by higher upkeep, longer research, less health or happyness. AI does not, I repeat, does NOT become smarter on higher difficulty levels. It's just "cheating". That's what actually makes me playing noble, where evryone is on the same level. I'd like to see an AI not placing a city by considering the 9 first tiles, but the whole 21 tiles, by considering fresh-water and riverside boni, by considering the citys just next to it, etc... etc... But somehow, the AI just don't get's it. (btw, it miracously knows where the late-game ressources are, without having the tech to see them, talk about fair play >.<)

[Wiglaf]

Right. Because the AI cheats on higher levels, then micromanaging (aka cheating to counteract it) makes more sense.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


But if playing on noble, isn't it cheating to not leave it up to the AI. Since the AI relies on the same algorithms to manage its own cities. So you should only do this when the AI gets unfair bonuses.

Actually, it's cheating to play the game period. Since the AI relies upon algorithms to decide what to build, where to move its units, when to attack you, etc.

So, everybody needs to play custom game with no human player (not even you), and set the game to autorun.

I suppose you could take bets as to which AI wins. That's about the extent of your enjoyment.

Wodan

[Wiglaf]

A game of chess with a computer is fair. A game of chess in which the human is allowed to increase the movement range of a piece through micromanagement that the computer has no skill in is not fair.

Face facts: there is such a thing as an essentially level playing field with an AI. Micromanaging the hell out of your cities is a rather unnecessary breach of this level playing field.

[Vampgelus]

Anyway, i would really enjoy a smarter AI... I always have to raze all their citys and place new ones because thei're all overlaping and badly placed... I'd like to conquer something i'd actually keep as i got it :O

[MoonWolf]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
A game of chess with a computer is fair. A game of chess in which the human is allowed to increase the movement range of a piece through micromanagement that the computer has no skill in is not fair.

Eh.... no. You play by the same rules. However, a human could be better to exploit those rules. That's the difference.

Really guys, it's a game. Games against an AI will never be fair either way. If you want a 100% fair game by the means you are talking about here, you need to play against your Siamese twin.

[wodan11]

Heck, games between two humans aren't fair. That's why they have handicaps in golf or whatever. One human will have more play experience, skill, athletic prowess, be more comfortable playing in windy conditions, or simply have had some nookie from the spouse the night before and thus be in a better mood and more able to do well.

Wodan

[MoonWolf]

Originally posted by wodan11
Heck, games between two humans aren't fair. That's why they have handicaps in golf or whatever. One human will have more play experience, skill, athletic prowess, be more comfortable playing in windy conditions, or simply have had some nookie from the spouse the night before and thus be in a better mood and more able to do well.

Wodan

Excactly! That's what I mean too. A game can only be considered fair when you players use the same set of rules. Or having handicaps as wodan says here e.g. like giving the AI better research, production etc. on higher levels. How the contestants use these rules are a very different issue. Some will do better, some will do worse and that should be the end of that discussion.

[wodan11]

"Life isn't fair, Princess. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something."

[Supr49er]

Great post davypi.

[Blaupanzer]

You can't cheat the AI. It is a machine, it knows no morality. Micromanage in peace, if you wish.