Ancient Age Conquest and other questions

[Krill]

I wouldn;t underestimate Mali; you don't need a resource, you only need 2 relatively cheap techs, and skirms are pretty cheap as well. But I'd agree the Incans are a ***** to deal with, especially if they research archery early and get out 1 or 2 archers.; you basically have to get a resource hooked up early to deal with them.

[snoopy369]

That's sort of the Alpha Centauri style (unitbuilder), isn't it? Heck, an interesting mod would be:

Only one buildable ground mil unit (Warrior)
Ability to buy promotions by building a more expensive warrior (Warrior w/0 xp = 30h; Warrior w/5 xp = 50h; Warrior w/10xp = 100h; etc.)
Promotions along the lines of "Combat Strength" (CS1: 3str; CS2: 5str; CS3: 8str; CS4: 12str)

[Fleme]

I'd love to play in one of your saturday games but it's really like 5 AM sunday morning for me or sth. What time do you start the games usually, and what timezone are you in? GMT - x? I'm +2. 3 AM in the night would probably be the worst option for me while I theoretically could get up at 5 if I really wanted

[snoopy369]

We start around 6pm GMT-6... that's 2am your time then I think?

Sometimes we have a second game a few hours later if the first one ends early, happening less often now but it's still a possibility every week. There's also occasionally a friday game a bit later, around 3 or 4am your time.

[rah]

-6 so yes it's tough. But it your time is correct below your avatar, there is only a 6 hour difference, so our games start around midnight your time. (assuming we get organized quickly) If the +2 is a 9 hour diff then yeah, 3 AM.

[Fleme]

It's actually 22:40 here so the time under my avatar isn't right. That means the difference is indeed 8 hours. Oh well, I spose I could pull an allnighter if it's certain that there's going to be game, but it better not become a habit

Is there a game coming up this week? Any other details?

[snoopy369]

There's always a game (well, 99% of the time anyway, except on major holidays perhaps) at 12am GMT on Saturday night. It typically takes ~30m to get everyone together, but not always - try to be there by 12am GMT. It lasts ~5-6 hours usually depending on how polite Civ is...

[Krill]

Also, if you ever start next to me change tech and get archery asap. If you start next to Dominae get Fued early

[Indalecio]

Originally posted by Willem


This would completely defeat the purpose of having different units in the game. If you explore along those lines, why not just have a single unit throughout the game and just give it different promotions to fulfill different needs? We would never have to upgrade them or make decisions as to what to build next. Just keep pumping out the same unit turn after turn.

Well the reason I said Scout is that the Scout becomes useless for its intended purpose shortly after the game begins. Sure you can use as a medic or attach a GG to it, but thats not really its intended use

[Fleme]

I'll keep an eye on the thread on the MP forum on saturday, midnight to 2 AM-ish unless you could PM me with the details or something? Anyways, I really would like to give it a go, get myself some snacks and stuff and I'll be ready for a good old fashioned allnighter.

I bet I'll just stay awake only to find out there's something screwed on my computer and I can't play Anyways, looking forward to it.

[frenzyfol]

Originally posted by Theben

Attackers on foreign soil also can't use the roads or RRs. If they have the commando promotion, they can use enemy roads.

The DEF bonus only applies when attacked.

I've always thought the commando bonus is way to far up the promo chain. It should be about tier 3 not 5

[joncnunn]

Re: Ancient Age Conquest and other questions

Looking at some of the Civ Fanatics conquest times: Most definately. Record time on Deity to win is before 3800 BC on Duel & before 3700 BC on Tiny. Granted, this is probably on Marathon and a Pangena type map.

Anyway for rushes, you need overwhelming numbers. The first few units you send will die but damage their units in the process allowing your follow up healthy units to win.

On other penalties, in addition to very slow healing in foreign lands you don't receive defensive bonsues there either and their forts won't work for you as well.

Defensive bonsuses are defensive only. You don't get them when attacking. And in addition the attack unfortifies the unit.
Hills though is only 25%. Forest is tougher (50%). And toughest is forest+hill at 75%.

Originally posted by Indalecio
I ran my first decent war on Saturday. I played as Survayarman(Khmer) versus Montezuma. I had Washington on my side. Washington invited me into his war against Montezuma a few turns before developing Construction. I got to thinking, does anyone really start any wars before getting catapults? Cites and culture bonuses make it too difficult, and aside from the rare occurence when you come across an otherwise undefended city, very time consuming.

But does this have to be? There must've been Rams back in ancient times, which could knock down city gates. It'd be a nice option to have, and instead of having a separate unit, why not make this as Unit Promotion. Units receiving this would get the Bombard option which would knock down city defenses, but wouldn't cause collateral damage. I can see this unit promotion availible to melee and scout units. Or even to more modern units, instead of being Ram, the name would be changed 'Explosives Expert'.


A couple of questions. Does an attacker on foreign soil receive any other penalties besides being slower to heal?

A Warrior on a hill receives a defense bonus from being on a hill. Is this defense bonus factored in somehow if he attacks someone who is on the plains next to him? Or is it only factored in when he is being attacked?

[Jaybe]

Re: Re: Ancient Age Conquest and other questions

Originally posted by joncnunn
On other penalties, in addition to very slow healing in foreign lands you don't receive defensive bonsues there either and their forts won't work for you as well.

WHAT!? Since when?
That would invalidate approaching a target city through the hills & forests, or cutting your own adjacent to your city to prevent a haven for an attacker.

Or is this such old news that I have forgotten it in antiquity?

[Theben]

I think he meant in enemy cities. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure my enemies got defenses in hills and forests.

[Indalecio]

I don't quite know if this was a bad experiennce with the RNG, but playing as the Native Americans, I sent my Dog Soldier with CRII against a Barbarian city with two archers, and lost.

I am just wondering if I am doing my math right

Dog Soldier
5 + 2.25(+45% with CRII) = 7(Rounding down)

vrs

Archer
3 + 1.5(50% city defense) + .75(25% hill defense) + 0 (0 culture) = 5(rounding down)

Is my math correct, here?