Theocratic Massacres

[realpolitic]

I recently heard of a teacher in Sudan who got 30 lashes for naming a teddy bear Mohammad.

Then there was the violence over the Belgian cartoons about Mohammad.

The 100 dead in Nigeria in 2002 when a newspaper suggested that Mohammad would have approved of a Miss World contest .

Pius XII approving Hitler's ideas

The Salem witch trials

The murder of the Cathacars

Untouchables in life threatening jobs like sewer workers withion out adequate protection

Moses murdering 10,000 Hebrews because they worshiped a silver cow.

How about the possibilty of a city losing 1 or more pop from a theocracy in a mass killing if there are other religions present in a city? The dead should be from another religion if possible, however as there are no other religions available there should be a small possibility of killing one's own - Sunni/Shia in today's Iraq, Catholic/Protestant in late 20th Century Ireland.

Give a +4 XP bonus to compensate for the increased risk/fanatisism.

[Theben]

It could be a recurring event, but +4 XP is waay too much. Right now I think Theocracy is too strong anyway and the event by itself would help tone it down some (like slave revolts).
There could also be a bonus/penalty with other religions/theocratic states.

[Thedrin]

Why are mass killings exclusive to theocracies? Surely there have been plenty of 'idealistic' slaughters inspired by political thought as well.

[LzPrst]

sectarian violence

highly realistic. needs in.

[Modo44]

Plus a bunch of unrest and pollution caused by corporations (competing and otherwise)...

[couerdelion]

Hey Real,

Did you amend a few real events to "protect the innocent"? I only mention this because you seem to have a few facts wrong

1) The teacher was put in prison (did not receive the lashes)

2) The cartoons in question originated in Denmark

5) I think it was the Cathars who were murdered

6) Wasn't it a golden cow?

[Fleme]

If you added this to Theocracy you should also add something similar to Nationalism. Surely that civic promotes the spirit of one's own nation and bordering cities that are affected by foreign culture should experience unrest because your highly nationalistic people wanted the foreigners out or something like that?

Would suck to run Nationalism and Theocracy then

[snoopy369]

Nationalism should have a reduced food rate in cities with significant other nationality presence... to represent the desire for decreased immigration.

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by Thedrin
Why are mass killings exclusive to theocracies? Surely there have been plenty of 'idealistic' slaughters inspired by political thought as well.

Yep. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, PolPot, etc. etc. etc.

[The Priest]

Completely agree that other things than religion cause these problems historically but ...

... the problem I see is one cause by the Civ model of religions in which more religions in a city is automatically a good thing. I could cope with the idea that under freedom of religion multiple religions give you bonuses - this could correspond to some ideas of multi-culturalism, the benefits of immigration etc. However, earlier in the game in civ you want as many religions as possible to give the options of the buildings, but in history most civs went for being fairly mono-religious. Theocracy may stop the spread of other religions, but even under it you are still best have others too.

So we need (a) some mechanism by which more religions in a city has negative effects as well as positive, the balance of these affected perhaps by the civics and (b) some mechanism for removing religions from a city. This way one civ can choose to go for mono-reigious, try to erradicate other religions from its cities, and gain some bonuses that way, while others can go for multiple religious and get other bonuses and riskes. Extra realism and more strategic choices in one go.

It might be as simple as just allowing missionaries to remove religions (e.g. buddism missionary can remove non buddhist religion from a city with buddhism) and adjusting theocracy and organised religion so that they are worth +30% and +3XP if you only have the state religion in the city +20% and +2 XP if there is another religion and +10% and +1 XP if there are another 2 or more.

[LzPrst]

the priest

excellent suggestions

[Theben]

Originally posted by The Priest
It might be as simple as just allowing missionaries to remove religions (e.g. buddism missionary can remove non buddhist religion from a city with buddhism) and adjusting theocracy and organised religion so that they are worth +30% and +3XP if you only have the state religion in the city +20% and +2 XP if there is another religion and +10% and +1 XP if there are another 2 or more.

Sounds good.

[Unimatrix11]

Gosh ! I have been advocating this for two years now ! And i didnt get any kudos !

[snoopy369]

A Mod to do that would be simple ... for that matter, one of the warlords scenarios (don't recall the name, but it was the one where you are either protestant or catholic playing in the new world) does exactly that.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Unimatrix11
Gosh ! I have been advocating this for two years now ! And i didnt get any kudos !

I never got any recognition for my work on the CivIII List so don't feel too bad.