An intellectual's review

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by wodan11
Nah, that's just all the beer we drank while in college.

Some people, of course, wouldn't be familiar with either beer or college.

Wodan

Who?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Wiggie, I think you have a distinct lack of understanding of the true meaning of "macroeconomics" (or just "economics")...

Wiggie's point is exactly correct. Just because a game includes some sort of economy (as almost all games do) doesn't mean that it's should be considered an economic simulator on any scale.

[wodan11]

Kuci, the very basis for all your arguments isn't true, and this casts suspicion on your conclusions (if not invalidating them altogether). Just one example: in Civ, if you purposefully worsen your relations such that your open borders cease, this definitely impacts your economy. This is indeed a correlation with reality.

Wodan

[Kuciwalker]

Okay, I'll admit that no correlation with reality was incorrect. Rather, there is very little, and what is there exists more for gameplay purposes than to actually reflect reality.

[OFogy]

Hey, it's a bloody GAME

So much sound and fury signifying ... well, not very much.
Thanks Demonweed for your perspective.
Thanks rjmatsleepers for your question.
I too would like Snoopy to expand on those three little words: Google search rank
Woss it mean?

[Kuciwalker]

No thanks to me for my perspective?

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Hey, it's a bloody GAME

Originally posted by OFogy
I too would like Snoopy to expand on those three little words: Google search rank
Woss it mean?

When you search for something on Google, the rank of a site is how high up in the results list it appears. Extra inbound links to a site increase its search rank.

[Locutus]

Many things affect Google search rankings, SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) is an entire field of study and a profitable line of business. Kuci is right that especially inbound links (and to a lesser extent outbound ones) improve your ranking (in fact, that's the single most important factor) but another very important one is copy, copy, copy. Google bots are very hungry, the more copy you feed them the more they'll like you (and the more relevant the copy the more they'll like you still -- keywords being the keyword here ) So generally the more news items we have and the longer they are the better it is for our Google rank (although if we felt that was hugely important we'd just post 20-30 news items per page rather than the 6 we have now and have no editorial selection whatsoever on what news we'd post; Google rank matters (a lot) but making the site usable and meaningful for humans is more important still).

I assume snoopy was referring to that more than the links issue, as unless he links back to us that's actually benefiting Demonweed/Adam a lot more than us in this case.

[OFogy]

thanks for the enlightenment

[lucky22]

A true intellectual review of CIV:

-It's "Hegel-riffic"!!-

[guermantes]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Dear god. This belongs in a girl's diary about her high school economics class, not a videogame review.

A girl's diary? With every post in this thread your choice of avatar becomes more and more understandable.

[snoopy369]

The mistake you're making here Kuci is to assume that "economy" has anything to do wiht money. Civ4 has an interesting economic aspect beyond money; economics is the study of scarcity, and you can have an economy of anything that is scarce.

Other than a true economic simulator - with simulated people and whatnot - Civ is pretty good in this respect. There are many scarcities - hammers, happiness, healthiness, etc. - and the ability to play the game is largely a matter of ability to manage these scarcities, and both try to get more of these things, and to trade one fo the other. Each time you grow, you are trading one happy face and one healthy (face?) for a hammer (for example, if you use a 2F1H forest). That's an economic choice ... and the skills used here in playing Civ can also be very useful in the general realm of economics.

[Petrus2]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
And you think I made a mistake why? He acts like an idiot about macro, I apply his retarded logic to micro.

Deus Ex is also a good microeconomics simulator btw You buy things and sell them From suppliers

I'm sorry, but anytime a person resorts to insults during a debate, they simply marginalize their viewpoint. Reasoned, respectful debate is useful. Mudslinging is useless. Fact is, the mudslinger not only damages their argument in the topic at hand, but their reputation for all future discussions.

Why do you think that so many people ignore the internet? Or at least the opinions expressed on them? Why do you think newspapers always wanted a person's name & address if you were being printed in the OP-Ed section? Standing behind your statements brings more validity to them than random, especially anonymous diatribes.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm sorry, but anytime a person resorts to insults during a debate, they simply marginalize their viewpoint. Reasoned, respectful debate is useful. Mudslinging is useless. Fact is, the mudslinger not only damages their argument in the topic at hand, but their reputation for all future discussions.

Moron.

[Petrus2]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by wodan11
Zounds, Kuciwalker, did you get up on the wrong side of bed? Not only have you only negative things to say, you say it about multiple people.

I'm just getting warmed up, buddy. Though, this is the Civ4 forum so I have to worry about Solver...

Finding only criticism in someone's effort make it seem as though your goal is simply to be critical. That your goal is to shoot down the effort and undermine it.

What's wrong with being critical again?

Criticism

Constructive criticism IS useful. Attacks are not. EVEN if the attacker is correct, the other person simply gets all defensive and no one LISTENS to the other.

Criticize an idea or a thought. Don't criticize the person.