bombarding a city with walls

[Petrus2]

Am I overbuilding walls & castles? I'm primarily a builder (even when I try to be more war focused... I usually end up going back to my core play-style/enjoyment). I figure the Power factor of walls and eventually castles keeps the AI off my back. Assuming you have stone, they aren't that costly AND have no recurring maintenance cost like military units might.

Plus, for a while at least, castles give extra trade routes and espionage points.

Oh and of course, if the AI -does- come after me, the defensive improvement is nice. But I always try to have enough of a military to forestall that.

[Asmodeous]

Originally posted by wodan11
Walls and Castles also affect the Power graph calculations, which make the AI less likely to declare war on you.

Wodan

I learned something, too. . .

Edit: Oh for the love of GOD I hate when it doesn't recognize me clicking into the window and thinks I just want to hit "post".

Me.

[joncnunn]

Hum, maybe I should actually add Walls to my city queues then just to help keep the peace early on if defenses from culture aren't.

I would guess though that these get removed from the calculations when they become obsolete and so Castles would have just as short a power graph affect as they do a defensive & economic one.

Originally posted by wodan11
Walls and Castles also affect the Power graph calculations, which make the AI less likely to declare war on you.

Wodan

[wodan11]

Actually, I don't think the defensive bonuses from walls and castle ever become obsolete.

Wodan

[Supr49er]

Originally posted by wodan11
Actually, I don't think the defensive bonuses from walls and castle ever become obsolete.

Wodan

I don't think the EP ever become obsolete either.

[joncnunn]

Gunpowder units ignore city walls / castles.
The tech allowing castles is very close to Gunpowder.

In addition, the economic affects of castles / Spanish Citadul expire with Economics and the Celtic milittary bonsues in their Dun expires with Rifling.

But the primary reason I've avoided walls is I make culture enough of a prirority to where by the time a war breaks out most of my cities are already at 60% culture.

Originally posted by wodan11
Actually, I don't think the defensive bonuses from walls and castle ever become obsolete.

Wodan

[OFogy]

Whoa, thanks Wodan. I rarely build walls and castles, but now will give them more thought.

Originally posted by wodan11
Walls and Castles also affect the Power graph calculations, which make the AI less likely to declare war on you.

Wodan

[Willem]

Originally posted by wodan11
Actually, I don't think the defensive bonuses from walls and castle ever become obsolete.

Wodan

No they don't. This is mentioned very clearly in the Civilopedia. However, once Gunpowder is researched they effectively do become obsolete since gunpowder units ignore the defensive bonuses Walls and Castles provide. However you still get the benefit of the power rating.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by wodan11
Walls and Castles also affect the Power graph calculations, which make the AI less likely to declare war on you.

Wodan

Is a nice little trick this one.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Willem


No they don't. This is mentioned very clearly in the Civilopedia. However, once Gunpowder is researched they effectively do become obsolete since gunpowder units ignore the defensive bonuses Walls and Castles provide. However you still get the benefit of the power rating.

This isn't quite right. It only depends on what units your enemy attacks you with. It doesn't matter if YOU know gunpowder. And, it doesn't even matter if your enemy knows gunpowder... if he didn't upgrade his units, then the defensive bonus still applies.

Wodan

[Ming]

I think you are both saying the same thing

[wodan11]

Probably.