Great Wall

[Supr49er]

My first post, though I've been helped tremendously by the forums. I've been a CivFanactic since Civ I in the 1980s.

My question regards the Great Wall. If I build it early, does it expand as my territory expands? javascript:smilie('')
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[Slade Wilson]

Nope, the graphic wall on the map remains where it is. The benefits apply wherever your border is, however.

[Boracks]

And note that this only applies to land, barbarian galleys still move through your boundries no problem.

[Targonis]

As others have said, while the wall graphics do not expand with your empire, the effects do.

[Nugog]

Re: Great Wall

Originally posted by Supr49er
I've been a CivFanactic since Civ I in the 1980s.

No need to swear now..............



Welcome to Aployton!

And yes - the graphice does not expand (though it would be nice if it did), but the effect do........

[joncnunn]

I'm very much against the idea of the great wall moving. That would be a wonder indeed!!!

[Nugog]

I personally think it should move graphically - for it not to move yet still have effect on it's "outer side" seems silly to me.

Either way - is strange though..........

[Lord Avalon]

Great Wall is kinda weird if you're playing Archipelago. If your continent isn't too big, you might have one tile walled on one side, and a couple on the other.

[Ari]

Originally posted by Nugog
I personally think it should move graphically - for it not to move yet still have effect on it's "outer side" seems silly to me.

Either way - is strange though..........

Certain wonders seem to be stand-ins for certain philosophies or areas of expertise. For example, when you circumnavigate the world, I see this as the real-life equivalent to this civilization having a "philosophy" of exploration, or a specialization of sorts. It's not "really" that they're rewarded for circumnavigating; the bonus merely reflects their emphasis on exploration.

Likewise, a civ that could build the sistine chapel is already emphasizing art and culture, and the wonder itself is simply a reward for or reflection of that.

Similarly, you could interpret the Great Wall not as a wall, per se, but as a philosophy of keeping out hostile outsiders (kinda like adding a "minor" protective trait to a civ). In other words, since the attitude of the civ is what's important here, the actual boundaries of the wall are irrelevent. After all, in real life, Spanish ships didn't literally go faster after Magellan nor does the sistine chapel literally increase the cultural/artistic worth of other buildings. And the Great Wall hardly marks off the boundaries of China.

[Will9]

Re: Great Wall

Originally posted by Supr49er
My first post, though I've been helped tremendously by the forums. I've been a CivFanactic since Civ I in the 1980s.

Just a word of advice, don't use the word "CivFanatic" to describe yourself when posting here. Fanatic of Civ would be better. Also, to refresh your memory, Civ I came out in 91.

My question regards the Great Wall. If I build it early, does it expand as my territory expands? javascript:smilie('')
confused

As said the effect does expand and the graphic doesn't. Although you can update the graphic in the worldbuilder.

[Lord Avalon]

Originally posted by Ari

Certain wonders seem to be stand-ins for certain philosophies or areas of expertise. For example, when you circumnavigate the world, I see this as the real-life equivalent to this civilization having a "philosophy" of exploration, or a specialization of sorts. It's not "really" that they're rewarded for circumnavigating; the bonus merely reflects their emphasis on exploration.

Or you have a couple lost fisherman.

... Similarly, you could interpret the Great Wall not as a wall, per se, but as a philosophy of keeping out hostile outsiders (kinda like adding a "minor" protective trait to a civ). In other words, since the attitude of the civ is what's important here, the actual boundaries of the wall are irrelevent. ...

Jedi mind tricks

These are not the cities you are looking for.

[Horace]

I really like the fact that the wall doesnt move. gives the map a sense of history

[Nugog]

Horace - never thought of it that way - fair call.

[Robert]

Welcome on Apolyton Supr49er!
And I'm a CivFanatic as well! True CivFanatics register at Apolyton

The Great Wall only applies to the continent it was build on, btw.

[Supr49er]

Thanks for the responses. I waited until I had several cities before trying to build the GW and was always beaten out. Now that I know the effects expand with me, I will try to build it earlier.