need help...

[Soterius]

Aaaaargh!!

I built a new city and it's 4 squares away from my capital. The new city is connected to the capital by a river and I also built a road between my capital and the new city. Furthermore, the borders (culture) of the cities are connected, they don't overlap, just 'connect'. So there's no square in between the borders, they touch each other.

Now, why doesn't my state religion spread to the new city???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've waited for many, many turns!!!!! Is it because there is a river between them, so they are not connected although I built a road (but the road crosses the river). Do I need "bridge building" before the religion spreads?

Please help me, someone?!?!


Edit: Just when I wrote this message and turned back to the game, the religion spread to my new city HAHAHA!! But it took a looong time!!! Why did it take so long? Can anyone explain to me what factors dtermine the time it takes to spread?

[yin26]

It will eventually spread there, particularly if no other religions crowd it out. In case this is a weird bug, though, why not send over a missionary?

[Soterius]

Thanks for the reply. Well, it's my third city in the game, I can't even build missionaries yet. Fortunately, the ***** Hatshepsut decided to expand her kingdom away from me, not towards me. If she did build a city in my direction, my position would be ****ed because of the long time before the religion spread (and culture would start growing in the new city). SO that's why I was quite angry, my game would be very much influenced by the simple fact that the religion took ages to spread....

[yin26]

Yeah, getting missionaries is really the only way I know of to have that degree of control. So maybe beeline for the right tech or government type?

[Willem]

Re: need help...

Originally posted by Soterius
Why did it take so long? Can anyone explain to me what factors dtermine the time it takes to spread?

It's a random thing. Sometimes it will happen right away, sometimes you have to wait a long time. There doesn't seem to be any factors to determining how long it will take, at least not that I can see. Although it does happen quicker if the shrine for that religion is built.

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Soterius
Thanks for the reply. Well, it's my third city in the game, I can't even build missionaries yet. Fortunately, the ***** Hatshepsut decided to expand her kingdom away from me, not towards me. If she did build a city in my direction, my position would be ****ed because of the long time before the religion spread (and culture would start growing in the new city). SO that's why I was quite angry, my game would be very much influenced by the simple fact that the religion took ages to spread....

Like they said, the only way to be sure of religion spread is to send a missionary (or found a new religion). If the city expansion is important then you need to force this more actively rather than relying on random factors.

One simple rule about creative civs – especially if they are neighbours. They are vermin and must be destroyed. Here’s a short list of what they do

a) they steal your resources
b) they grab other resources
c) they dislike you because they built a city close to your borders
d) and because they always have their own religion
e) with control of the trade routes, they stifle trade.

You can almost never be happy with a creative neighbour

[Swiss Pauli]

It's random, but it always seems to take longer when you need to spread to a given city for some reason.

[wodan11]

It sounds to me as though you're asking the wrong question. It's not, "how can I get my religion to spread" but, "how can I get my city's border to expand?"

Religion is one way. Another is to build a Monument, Theatre, or Library. Another is to play a Creative leader. There are some others, such as Stonehenge or a Great Artist.

Wodan

[Shrapnel12]

I have a similar problem involving the spread of religion. I'm on a continent with three other civs. One discovered Budism, one Confucionism, and I discovered Judaism. Luckily for me, almost immediately the last civ adopted Judaism as the state religion. I thought I had my first ally, but then it discovered Christianity and converted. I decided to convert to Christianity, but couldn't. Later I got in a war with the civ with Confucionism and destroyed it. I decided to give up on Christianity and convert to Budism, but couldn't even when I built a road to join up with the civ's cities. Is there a way to get religion in your cities that you didn't discover? Sure I could declare war and conquer a city with the religion I want, but I'm trying to ally with that civ, so not a good idea.

[wodan11]

Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Is there a way to get religion in your cities that you didn't discover?

Two Ways:
1a) Don't spread your own religion to it via missionary...
1b) Have Open Borders with as many civs as you can, who are of that religion
1c) Have close borders with other civs, who are of other religions.
1d) Estabish new cities. (What you want are cities with no religion, because a city with no religion has a chance to have a religion spread to it.)
1e) Wait. Wait some more. It might happen. It might not.

2) Wait until that religion spreads to one of your cities, build a Monastery to that religion, and then build missionaries.

Wodan

[Blaupanzer]

To add to Wodan's points, dont't adopt theocracy! NO other religions come to a civ in such a status -- either thru missionaries or through trade route spread.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by wodan11

Two Ways:
1a) Don't spread your own religion to it via missionary...
1b) Have Open Borders with as many civs as you can, who are of that religion
1c) Have close borders with other civs, who are of other religions.
1d) Estabish new cities. (What you want are cities with no religion, because a city with no religion has a chance to have a religion spread to it.)
1e) Wait. Wait some more. It might happen. It might not.

2) Wait until that religion spreads to one of your cities, build a Monastery to that religion, and then build missionaries.

Wodan

I've lately discovered the benefit of multiple religions in cities. Being able to build multiple temples for the happiness and the priest specialists is VERY handy. Up until now, my first priority was to build a Shrine and forcefeed my religion to every city (mine and other) for the gold. To the detriment of my one-religion, size 16+ cities.

[Blake]

To add to the stuff about creative civs - know that they ARE going to get the tiles around their cities, place your cities accordingly, or be prepared to send in the axemen. The annoying thing about creative is they are harder to invade too because of the cultural defenses, it's a strong early trait, sometimes you just have to grin and bear it and accept that they'll have cultural dominance.
Until catapults.

[couerdelion]

Is there a way to get religion in your cities that you didn't discover?

What is wrong with this statement? Square pegs and round holes spring to mind here.

It sounds like you are wasting too much time and effort into forcing the game down a direction for which your civ is not well-placed. The only reason that I could think you would want to adopt a religion of another civ is if you are scared of them and you want to be friends or use them as an ally/trading partner.

Pros:
1) You have an ally/friend

Con
1) You make an enemy of another civ
2) You provide shrine income and information to your ally as you spread their religion
3) You get no shrine income or information on neighbours cities from your own religions
4) You have to spread your religion to gain the benefits of religious civics

So my simple answer is that you do not WANT to adopt a religion that none of your cities have. Work with what you do have and play to those strengths.

[Shrapnel12]

Thanks everyone for the great advice. I did eventually get the religion I wanted. The reason I wanted to adopt someone elses religion is because I'm attempting a different approach for this game. Usually, I'm a selfish bastard and I make all the civs see things my way, thus everyone hates me. I wanted more diplomatic variety in this game, so I want to make friends. I had a Jewish neighbor who converted to Christianity. I thought I'd just spread my religion to his and get him to convert back, but he closed the Open Borders agreement and I couldn't spread my religion. I haven't done anything to him and he's "Annoyed" with me. Since I couldn't convert him to my religion, I decided to convert to his, but couldn't. I ended up siding with another civ and will eventually destroy the heathen traitorous Christians as soon as I recover from city upkeep after conquering a bunch of cities from my war with the now deceased Persians.