A mythical best civilization

[rjmatsleepers]

I finally got round to building myself a mythical ideal civilization. The idea is to choose the best from everything available.

Traits:
This was difficult, because they're all good in their own way. I eventualy settled for financial and philosophical. Not being a warmonger, I couldn't resist that extra commerce and earlier Great People.

Starting techs
This was also difficult. I eventualy settled for mining to give me an early path to BW and the wheel which opens the way to pottery and writing while giving the early worker the opportunity to build roads.

Unique unit
Once again, there are a lot of good units out there. But some become obsolete quite quickly while others appear rather late. I settled for a fast worker since the benefits are available throughout the game.

Unique building
Here I choose the Cothon - I couldn't resist the extra trade route.

Well that's my choice. I expect those who like an aggresive game would make rather different choices.

RJM

[Blake]

Hmmm.

Traits:
Spiritual and Charismatic, it's ideally balanced. (Brennus)

Starting Techs:
Mysticism and Mining (India/Korea)

Unique Unit:
War Chariot (Egypt)

Unique Building:
(Glances around) Ger

But that's just not a strong Civ - it's so strong as to be absolutely broken! (Charismatic +exp UB + UU which benefits from it )
For a less absolutely broken UB it'd be the Greek Odeon, which is basically the best UB outside of broken synergies, although the Ottoman Hamman is also solid. The only problem is the leader might have too much happiness, which makes the military UB's - Ger, Trading Post, Ikhanda, tempting.

[ben04]

For warmongering:

Traits : Imperialistic / Charismatic
UU: Either Immortal or War Chariot
UB: Ger

But that'd be broken to. I really don't know who I like best as UU. War Chariot is better overall but Immortal is better at cracking archers and still good enough against the rest except swordmen.

For building:

Traits : Financial / Creative
Creative gives you a free border pop for each city and cheap libraries. Those +25% beakers really bring something when you're at 100% science rate.

The choice for financial should be obvious.
UB : Cothon
UU : Fast worker, not because I like it but because there is not other choice if you don't go to war.

Would that be broken?

[guermantes]

"broken" ?

[ben04]

Broken in the sense of overpowered, unbalanced

[Jaybe]

Well OF COURSE a "mythical best" civ would be broken!! That's why you play it at Diety level (or 2-3 levels higher than you are used to).

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by ben04
For warmongering:

Traits : Imperialistic / Charismatic
UU: Either Immortal or War Chariot
UB: Ger

But that'd be broken to. I really don't know who I like best as UU. War Chariot is better overall but Immortal is better at cracking archers and still good enough against the rest except swordmen.

For building:

Traits : Financial / Creative
Creative gives you a free border pop for each city and cheap libraries. Those +25% beakers really bring something when you're at 100% science rate.

The choice for financial should be obvious.
UB : Cothon
UU : Fast worker, not because I like it but because there is not other choice if you don't go to war.

Would that be broken?

Which starting techs would you chose?

RJM

[Swiss Pauli]

Looking for a good all-round package, I'd choose:

Traits: FIN and IND (vanilla Huang). If FIN has a weakness, it's lack of production which IND solves with cheap forges.

Techs: Agri and Wheel (Mehmed). Potters' delight, and opens up AH, too.

UB: Hammam (Mehmed). Our civ might struggle for happiness as it doesn't favour the religious path (til Philo), so this will fix these problems. Handy synergy with IND as Maths unlocks the UB and Hanging Gardens.

UU: Hwacha (Wang Kon). Resource independent and powerful, it all fits well to the UB tech path.

I hope that this civ would do well in all circumstances, whether the start be isolated, or an archipelago, or a regular continents map.

[Blake]

Hwacha is an interesting UU, I might try building the ultimate CIV around it:

Trait 1: Financial. Yeah, that makes sense.
Trait 2: Expansionist. More pottery synergy.

Tech 1: Fishing. Financial seafood is super-tasty.
Tech 2: Mysticism. Financial Spain on a lake baby!

UB: Oedon. It's the best standalone UB and it's on construction.

That leader would be pretty fun.

Just grab a religion, then head to pottery and straight up to Construction. You'd have ample happiness and health and powerful culture too, for easily locking down conquests.

Subbing Spiritual for Expansionist would be just as nice, although it might be better to use another UB (Citadel?).

[couerdelion]

Traits : Spiritual and Charismatic

The strongest around makes for a very flexible -> aggressive civ.
Spiritual/Creative would push this option close.

Techs: Mysticism and Hunting

I like my starting scout too much while Mysticism is there for me to get my early monuments and to go for a religion. You’re going to have the happiest citizens around.

UU: Praetorian

They are just too overpowered to ignore

UB: Sacrificial Altar

Who needs production? Farm the world and whip away your troubles.

[Blake]

Sacrificial Altar isn't a great choice for Spiritual+Charismatic+Mysticism, you have happiness coming out the walzo, another point is that you'd probably gain more from the Hamman or Oedon, with that permament extra happiness.


This combo would have much more awesome synergy:
Organized + Expansionist + Sacrificial Altar + Agriculture/The Wheel starting techs.
Tech to Pottery then Code of Laws. So very wrong .

Cheap granary in every city, followed by cheap altar. You expand like a weed and whip like crazy.
You'd want a nice spammable UU, the War Chariot might be best with the accessible Animal Husbandry, but really, it's not going to matter with that kind of whipping/expansion potential...

[Swiss Pauli]

How about turning this on its head? Unexciting civ:

Protective / Imperialistic
Hunting / Fishing
Mall
Panzer

Thought about Navy Seal, but then there would be far too many American civ features.

[Kuciwalker]

Unique Unit:
War Chariot (Egypt)

Unique Building:
(Glances around) Ger

Why not Praet's? Granted you can't get the synergy with Ger, but they're still really powerful.

[Krill]

For Warlords just take Zulu. You get everything you need, exp, which is the best trait until it gets nerfed due to the worker production bonus, a UB that helps keep down maintenance costs and a UU that can not only slaughter archers but is fast enough to go in at the start of a war and cut off the AIs supply of metal.

[Krill]

The only thing I'd consider changing would be agri for mining and going BW first...