The civs (leaders) aren't balanced? Which civs are overpowered? How to balance?

[rah]

Ok fine.
Ours take about 3-5 hours and by then it's pretty easy to tell the winners and losers.
One game I lasted about 15 minutes.

[Robert]

You should really play a diplo game with us once and experience what a REAL MP game is about

[joncnunn]

Originally posted by MontyMustDie
Tokugawa's trait combination was cack, so that's why he was changed. Most definately underpowered.

Warlords itself also improved both of his old traights.
Organized now gives half price factories.
And agressives traight starting +10% has got to somewhat improve their chances of winning battles thus generating more great generals (indirectly)

[Qwertqwert]

In Vanilla Civ4, Expansive is a crap trait, so pretty much anyone with that as a trait wasn't as good. And I always thought Montezuma was particularly underpowered.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Alexander I

Well there was one trait that Warlords removed from Vanilla. I think it was Ind/Phi? That was supposedly unbalanced.

One trait combination that has been removed from Warlords is 'Creative/Financial' from Catherine (Russian).

[JackRudd]

Balance issues are the reason why Industrious/Philosophical was not in the original game; it's the one trait combo (from the original traits) that was neither in the original nor the expansion.

[Dauphin]

I think that civs are underpowered compared to your style of play as much as inately.

If you aren't a big user of specialists, then philosophical isn't as good a trait as it could be. If you are a builder, then aggressive isn't as good a trait as it could be. The reason Financial is overpowered is because it's the easiest one to use, but in certain gameplay styles not always the best.

If you are wanting a culture victory, playing philosophical and creative (Frederick originally, but no more) would be a great combo. Go for great artists through wonders or theatres and beef up your three cities cultures as quickly as possible.

[MJW]

If I was going for a culture win I would take financial...

[Thedrin]

I'd consider spiritual also. I wouldn't go near creative.

[Kuciwalker]

I would pick Elizabeth for a culture win, with Phi/Fin.

[damac100]

silly me, posted to the wrong thread. Sorry bout that.

((original entry was meant for the "warlords expansion worth it?" thread.))