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  • What to do with health resources and no happiness resources

    Here’s an interesting little problem I’ve got. The combination of having happy resources and high food is once again stretching the development of poor Stalin. Approaching 1000 BC, his basic research is no better than it was in 4000 BC. Also, the high food is becoming somewhat of a curse since any whipping outside the capital automatically limits the population of other cities to two and forces me to churn out yet more workers thus adding to unit costs. Cottage spamming is hardly an option since I won’t have the population to work them. And being on a Terra map, I have no room to expand except in the Tundra and Ice around the capital.

    Having built Stonehenge and Oracle, the capital is well on the way to generating a Prophet so there may be a way out on the happiness side through religion. I will still need to research Polytheism and Monotheism to open up Theology and these will take some time – I struggled to get Pottery (10 turns) in time for the Oracle to grab Metal Casting.

    After religion, I guess the next route for Happiness would be via Monarchy which would then give my many warriors something to do and all me to build an army of Axemen for stage three of the solution.

    On the cash side, I am deliberately using the Industrious trait to build wonders which I don’t really need. St Petersburg already has 130 hammers invested in The Great Wall and getting Polytheism will be useful since I will then also get the Marble bonus on Parthenon/Temple of Artemis. Meanwhile, Moscow can now build The Colossus – a wonder which I would normally not build because it always used to be outside my preferred tech path. Unfortunately this, and the planned engineer in my capital are likely to dilute my Prophet points so I may end up with a Great Engineer, which I would be quite happy with, or a Great Merchant, which I would not.

    Overall, quite a weird situation and one that seems to leave me with lots of Wonders simply because I have had nothing better to build.

    But I can't help thinking that this is all wrong. Stalin should be out there inflicting misery on his neighbours, not sitting at home orchestrating huge publics works programmes.

    So what do others do when they have too much food and no sources of happiness/gold?

  • #2
    Whip an army and conquer sources of happiness/gold
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • #3
      You can't ever have too much Food.

      Why build all those Wonders in this situation and ignore the Pyramids? It would have addressed all your concerns. Representation is perfect for lots of Food and little Happiness.

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      • #4
        Easier said than done.

        The ice-bound copper has only just been mined and linked but even now, whipping an army is going to make the cities even more unhappy without a Religion and/orHereditary Rule.

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        • #5
          I'd go with Drama over Hereditary Rule.

          It sounds like everything that can help you (if you aren't going to go bonk some heads ASAP) is up on the Alphabet branch anyways. Writing for a Library and 2 Scientists to eat the Food. Literature for the Great Library. The resulting Great Scientists for an Academy (and Philosophy). Alphabet to turn those beakers into trading opportunities. So Drama isn't out of the way at all.

          While you're up in that part of the tech tree, Notre Dame is there too.

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          • #6
            Well the simple reason for ignoring the Pyramids was that I had originally intended to grab this through the generation of a GE after grabbing Metal Casting. It’s looking less likely that this will happen now so building it is an option.

            Compare though

            Cost of Stonehenge/Oracle/Colossus = 381 hammers
            Cost of Pyramids = 450 hammers.

            The above figures allow for adjustments so the lack of stone will make (actually Pyramids will cost me around 480 now that I have a forge diluting the effect of the Industrious bonus)

            It’s still a thought though I might wait to see what GP emerges first.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aeson
              I'd go with Drama over Hereditary Rule.

              It sounds like everything that can help you (if you aren't going to go bonk some heads ASAP) is up on the Alphabet branch anyways. Writing for a Library and 2 Scientists to eat the Food. Literature for the Great Library. The resulting Great Scientists for an Academy (and Philosophy). Alphabet to turn those beakers into trading opportunities. So Drama isn't out of the way at all.

              While you're up in that part of the tech tree, Notre Dame is there too.
              Current research speed for Hereditary Rule is 79 turns!!! It is also one tech away.

              Drama - and I'm not sure how this will help - is three techs away, and at this rate will take something in the region of 180 turns.

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              • #8
                You can't address your Happiness and Research concerns by ignoring all the options that address Happiness and Research.

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                • #9
                  I just can't see how Drama will address Happiness or Research in anything but the longer term

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                  • #10
                    The techs you need to get to Drama are ones you need to research (ASAP) anyways. Writing for your Libraries and Scientists. Alphabet to trade Techs. Also, the Great Library is one of your best options, and it's up that way too.

                    If you want to address your research with 79 turns of researching Monarchy... feel free... but it's a complete waste if you get the Pyramids... and 79 extra turns of not having a Library or being able to trade techs. If you must go to Monarchy, at least go Writing first. But Writing->Alphabet->Drama->Literature, or just building the Pyramids, is your best bet to get out of the hole you're in.

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                    • #11
                      Checking for which GP is acceptable.
                      I did the metalurgy leap in our last MP game.
                      TWO GPs where it was less than 15% prophet, rest engineer. YOU GUESSED it, two prophets. Then lost out building Pyramids by one turn. (the money was helpful but I was still bummed.)
                      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aeson
                        The techs you need to get to Drama are ones you need to research (ASAP) anyways. Writing for your Libraries and Scientists. Alphabet to trade Techs. Also, the Great Library is one of your best options, and it's up that way too.

                        If you want to address your research with 79 turns of researching Monarchy... feel free... but it's a complete waste if you get the Pyramids... and 79 extra turns of not having a Library or being able to trade techs. If you must go to Monarchy, at least go Writing first. But Writing->Alphabet->Drama->Literature, or just building the Pyramids, is your best bet to get out of the hole you're in.
                        I can see why Writing/Alphabet/Literature work but don't understand why Drama gets mentioned.

                        Still pondering the Pyramids as a build option though. The main problem is that it is a lot harder to build than either Parthenon or Temple of Artemis and a bigger cost of failure.

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                        • #13
                          Drama = Happiness

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                          • #14
                            Nope, still don't get it.

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                            • #15
                              Drama allows Theaters and the Globe Theater.

                              Theaters give +1 Happy per 10% on the Culture slider. Your cities limited to size 3 by Happiness will get a +33% boost in population, which will show a similar boost in Commerce and Production. The cost is -10% Commerce. Size 4 to 5 is +25% pop to -10% Commerce. Size 5 to 6 is +20% pop to -10% Commerce. Clicking yet? Just give them Cottages to work and/or use lots of Specialists (who's "Commerce" output doesn't get hit by the slider) and you'll come out ahead, likely until you hit your Health limits.

                              Globe Theater gives unlimited Happy in a single city.

                              Drama = Happiness

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