the next expansion

[Max]

Yes links please, Son of David.
Then we should lobby around these guys to push our ideas: it never works very well but we get the biggest surprises when the actual game (or XP) is in our hands.

BTW has anyone already made a comparison between apolyton suggestions for CIV4 and the actual game when it came out?

[Son of David]

Read the post at the top of each of these links:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=4525568#post4525568

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=4526337#post4526337

I can also remember something posted by Locutus, saying he was at work on some new project. I have no idea what thread that was, however.

Although I suppose if you are pessimistic for one reason or another you might not see into all this what I am seeing into all this.

[Locutus]

There *will* be a second XP. If not, the last few weeks of my life have been rather a waste of time

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Will9
What about Coast Gaurd as a natioal wonder. It increases your naval units strength within your borders, and lets your coastal borders extend 4 squares. It would require Combustion.

i can't imagine why you would want that. i mean, why not add a "National football league" national wonder that adds happiness . or a "Projects" city improvement that turns the city into a veritable ghetto that attracts unhappy citizens from other, better cities. or a "Deep Blue" unit that goes around and plays chess. first person to build deep blue causes +1 unhappiness in all the civs that dont know **** about how to play chess.

you can keep adding garbage to the game...and i'm sure firaxis will. it doesn't add any strategic depth, it's just more stuff to deal with.

they should fix the naval game, add in some more personality, fix the UN, and improve the AI, in particular as it pertains to transporting units. maybe take a page from Galciv2 in some regards, such as moral alignments. honestly this could just be a patch, but I guess I'd pay $20 to see these improvements. can't think of much else to add to the core civ4 game.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Locutus
There *will* be a second XP. If not, the last few weeks of my life have been rather a waste of time

scenarios..ugh. i don't get why people play civ4 scenarios, honestly. are they really that popular?

[Will9]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


i can't imagine why you would want that...

...they should fix the naval game

This idea is meant to reduce number of ships you need to have defend your cities so you can have more to attack with. It would cause a naval war to happen before troops can land.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
scenarios..ugh. i don't get why people play civ4 scenarios, honestly. are they really that popular?

Yes

[Kuciwalker]

Yeah. The Chinese one, and Ghengis Kahn are pretty fun. Trying Rome now...

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
you can keep adding garbage to the game...and i'm sure firaxis will. it doesn't add any strategic depth, it's just more stuff to deal with.

QFMFT! Wonder spam, "unique buildings," more civs, etc, are all just window dressing

Bloated build queues

Gameplay improvements

Better trade

Better navies

Better air war

Better modern war, while we're at it

[Son of David]

Originally posted by Locutus
There *will* be a second XP. If not, the last few weeks of my life have been rather a waste of time

Yay!

And to think that there was one or two people here who doubted.

[kiky]

Originally posted by Locutus
There *will* be a second XP. If not, the last few weeks of my life have been rather a waste of time

So, it has been started.
Hope that it will be an improvement on AI focusing on winning or taking cities. Instead of sending 1-2 units to pillage.

[alms66]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
i can't imagine why you would want that...

How about, because it adds something to the naval game, which is rather bland at the moment? Sure, it's just another building if you want to look at it that way, but if you look at it in context, it's actually a building worth adding.

[Wiglaf]

Um, it adds strength to naval units within borders. That adds virtually jack **** to the naval game.

What's needed is fleshed out overseas trading, or something to make ships worth building in the first place.

in fact, all this "coast guard" thing would do is further encourage the use of ships as stupid defensive patrol boats that watch your water tiles. it'd further ruin the offensive power of navies.

[Jaybe]

Blockading of a port knocks the port city down to non-coastal city trade status (2 or 3 per route instead of 6 to 10+).

[MoonWolf]

Just thought of something I'm missing from the latest version of Civ3.... Volcanos! I want volcanoes back!