United Nations

[d474ang3l]

I'm finishing up my first game of Civ4 and I noticed one thing about the U.N. (I constructed) - It sucks! The computer keeps passing resolutions like every 5 turns - global civics being the worst. My strategy for my next game will be to let the computer build it and then wipe out the city it's in. Any thoughts?

[Thedrin]

You could switch off the Diplomatic victory option. Then no one gets the UN.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Thedrin
You could switch off the Diplomatic victory option. Then no one gets the UN.

This will work!

However, letting the AI build the UN, then rolling your tanks through it has a certain appeal

There have been many posts here regarding how the UN, well, sucks.

Maybe Fraxis will fix it, but probably not.

I almost always turn Diplomatic Victory off.

[Cort Haus]

There have been many posts here regarding how the UN, well, sucks.

There have also been posts explaining how to use the UN resolutions to your advantage. If you don't like what an AI can do with a wonder, either build it yourself or take it.

[fed1943]

What's wrong with UN ?

Can the enemy use it against you? If so, it works.

Or must I say enemy units suck?

Best regards,

[d474ang3l]

Originally posted by Cort Haus

There have been many posts here regarding how the UN, well, sucks.

There have also been posts explaining how to use the UN resolutions to your advantage. If you don't like what an AI can do with a wonder, either build it yourself or take it.

Yeah, but the problem with the UN is that you don't control it even if you build it. I always disabled both cultural and diplomatic victories while playing Civ 3. For me personally, it's not a real victory unless it's military. This was my first Civ 4 game so I didn't realize I could turn it off. I'll have to take a closer look. But I still think I'd rather blow it up

"Conan, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!"

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by d474ang3l
Yeah, but the problem with the UN is that you don't control it even if you build it.

Well, maybe you couldn't control it in your first ever game, but Civ 4 is not meant to be mastered in one sitting. It is likely that you have a thing or two yet to discover about the dark arts of diplomacy in this game.

In fact, Warmongers have the least to worry about wrt controlling the UN, as they usually have the population to need only minimum diplomacy to get the votes they need.

Peaceful UN wins with low population are much more of a diplomatic challenge than controlling the UN on the way to Conquest or Domination.

[MasterDave]

Originally posted by d474ang3l


Yeah, but the problem with the UN is that you don't control it even if you build it. ...

"Conan, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!"

Unfortunately, this is one of the more true-to-life aspects to Civ 4. I love the Conan quote

[d474ang3l]

They should have made the UN more realistic. Like it can pass resolutions and if you break them it affects your diplomatic status - but you're still free to break them. I would just let the computer build it and nuke the thing (if nukes worked at all in this version)

[snafuc4]

Originally posted by d474ang3l
(if nukes worked at all in this version)

Oh BTW nukes still work, but the effect is cumulative - take a look at the graphics if you launch a successful multi-nuke strike )

[d474ang3l]

The mushroom cloud is sweet, but the mukes don't do anything to the city unless you alter the game files for bomb shelters and the SDI. I actually started another thread all about the nuke issue and a lot of people are weighing in. You should check it out (general - useless nukes)

[Ming]

Originally posted by d474ang3l
I always disabled both cultural and diplomatic victories while playing Civ 3.

"Conan, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!"

I usually disable diplomatic victories as well, since there is nothing worse than cruising your way to victory, only to lose because for some strange reason, everybody hates you

But why bother disable cultural victories. I've never seen an AI meet the needed requirements, and IMHO, the only way to win one yourself is to target it from the very beginning. I see no reason to have to disable it, since it doesn't come into play unless you want it to.

And yeah... my favorite Conan quote

[d474ang3l]

As far as disabling cultural victories it just something I always did. In Civ4, you can go into the game files (buildinginfo) and change the United Nations DipVote from 1 to 0. Now it's useless.

[Nugog]

UN still blows.................

There should be the option to ignore the UN, and penalties for doing so.

Or you could use the UN to invade another country.

Or ignore it, form your own coalition and invade a country anyway..........

[Hunter007_PL]

What level do you play? I paly prince and monarch (I won once on monarch, byt it was very difficult), and I never have had big problems with UN . Ussualy I was one of 2 great, byt problems were only when AI done global civics... Very very annoing... But I have never got any problems with AI diplomatic victory! (I haven't won too)... So, what level do you play? My opinion about monarch: when powerfull civ declares war to you-you have no chances... What is your opinion about difficoulty of levels?