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**Qwertqwert** · August 1, 2006, 00:43

Originally posted by Common Sensei

The trade route bonus is the only difference from the original Drydock, unless that's what your referring to.

If so, it can be an additional trade route instead, like the Carthaginian Cothon.

Or how about this:

+1 Unhealth
New water units receive +4 experience points
Builds water units +50% faster
+15% Trade Route yield (+25% with Oil)

I think he forgot about eigher the +4exp or the 50% faster on the standard Drydock. I think it should be +25%, 50% with oil.

**rjwoer** · August 1, 2006, 02:02

Yes, I think the American UB should involve an earlier building. I would like to do this as a mod, and will start outlining things tomorrow and weighing pros and cons. But more ideas would be most useful to me as I begin to do that.

It seems to me that something during the industrial period of the late 19th/early 20th century makes sense. Will9's idea along these lines is a good one. I am toying with the idea of some kind of steel mill or maybe even a railroad UB of some kind (not sure specifically what, though), as these are certainly ear-marks of that era in America. [I'm currently reading the book Meet You in Hell by Les Standiford, about Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick--it's quite interesting.]

More tomorrow ...

**MoonWolf** · August 1, 2006, 02:25

Well, if not a shopping mall, they should add McDonald's:

+10% wealth
+2 happiness
-5 health

**Common Sensei** · August 1, 2006, 02:30

The generic buildings that currently have no UB based on them (excluding religious buildings) are:

Airport (Flight)
Bomb Shelter (Electricity)
Broadcast Tower (Mass Media)
Bunker (Electricity)
Drydock (Steel)
Hospital (Medicine)
Hydro Plant (Plastics)
Nuclear Plant (Fission)
Recycling Center (Ecology)

If the goal was to not have two UB based on the same original building, then the earliest possible ones would be Drydock or Hospital, which is why I based my suggestion on the Drydock. Seems like Drydock, Broadcast Tower, and Airport are the only ones that could be UBs that might make sense for America.

**Addled Platypus** · August 1, 2006, 05:08

all in favor of "plastic surgery center"

say "DD"

**Saurus** · August 1, 2006, 08:43

Originally posted by Gibsie
Should've given the Indians a call centre (replaces broadcast tower: makes citizens in other countries unhappy). I mean, Mauseloum? Replacing jails? Someone's 'aving a larf there...

This is very well said.
I, for instance, am one of those who have lost my job because of the call centre I used to work for moved to India.

It even actually sound like a fun addition to the game.
And the more call centers you build, the more unemployment it will cause to other countries. Thus increased unhappiness.

**Will9** · August 1, 2006, 09:31

Originally posted by rjwoer
Yes, I think the American UB should involve an earlier building. I would like to do this as a mod, and will start outlining things tomorrow and weighing pros and cons. But more ideas would be most useful to me as I begin to do that.

Maybe a courthouse UB could be given to America.

**Gibsie** · August 1, 2006, 09:43

How about a Creationist museum? -10% science, but +5 happiness if the city has the state religion...

**MoonWolf** · August 1, 2006, 09:48

Originally posted by Will9

Maybe a courthouse UB could be given to America.

Yeah, with -15% wealth cause of all the lawsuits

Nah, still stick with McDonald's

Seriously speaking, I think we should maybe give it a try before wanting to change anything. In fact, USA is a young nation and late unique units/ buildings should therefore be the way to go.

**OzzyKP** · August 1, 2006, 10:12

Originally posted by Common Sensei
The generic buildings that currently have no UB based on them (excluding religious buildings) are:

Airport (Flight)
Bomb Shelter (Electricity)
Broadcast Tower (Mass Media)
Bunker (Electricity)
Drydock (Steel)
Hospital (Medicine)
Hydro Plant (Plastics)
Nuclear Plant (Fission)
Recycling Center (Ecology)

If the goal was to not have two UB based on the same original building, then the earliest possible ones would be Drydock or Hospital, which is why I based my suggestion on the Drydock. Seems like Drydock, Broadcast Tower, and Airport are the only ones that could be UBs that might make sense for America.

If only we could give out promotions to air units, then a boosted airport would be best.

Airport still might be a good idea, maybe have it give +100% to trade routes in the city.

Or the broadcast tower give out +100% culture instead of +50%.

**Common Sensei** · August 1, 2006, 10:42

Originally posted by OzzyKP

If only we could give out promotions to air units, then a boosted airport would be best.

Airport still might be a good idea, maybe have it give +100% to trade routes in the city.

Or the broadcast tower give out +100% culture instead of +50%.

Broadcast Tower could become Television Network
+75% Culture (+100% w/Satellites). It would make the Eiffel Tower attractive, though, if you were going for cultural victories.

Also, if you wanted to give the original Mall UB a little boost, have it give 1 (or maybe 2) free Merchant specialist.

**Blake** · August 1, 2006, 11:41

Having actually used the Mall in a Washington game I have to say that I actually rather like it. It gives +10% gold and up to +3 happiness - it's a very cheap building too. I find it's enough to make refrigeration from a tech I'd normally ignore, to one I'd get ASAP for the Mall - and thus get the benefit of faster boats too.

I think in practice it works well because the pre-req's for Refrigeration are Biology (larger cities) and Electricity (needed for Broadway) so when you beeline straight to the mall, you're also all set up to benefit from it.

**Common Sensei** · August 1, 2006, 11:50

Originally posted by Blake
Having actually used the Mall in a Washington game I have to say that I actually rather like it. It gives +10% gold and up to +3 happiness - it's a very cheap building too. I find it's enough to make refrigeration from a tech I'd normally ignore, to one I'd get ASAP for the Mall - and thus get the benefit of faster boats too.

I think in practice it works well because the pre-req's for Refrigeration are Biology (larger cities) and Electricity (needed for Broadway) so when you beeline straight to the mall, you're also all set up to benefit from it.

Were you playing Washington because of his new pop-rush friendly traits?

**dregor** · August 1, 2006, 16:03

Originally posted by Will9

Maybe a courthouse UB could be given to America.

Could call it a 10 Commandments Monument!

**monkspider** · August 1, 2006, 16:09

Originally posted by Blake
Having actually used the Mall in a Washington game I have to say that I actually rather like it. It gives +10% gold and up to +3 happiness - it's a very cheap building too. I find it's enough to make refrigeration from a tech I'd normally ignore, to one I'd get ASAP for the Mall - and thus get the benefit of faster boats too.

I think in practice it works well because the pre-req's for Refrigeration are Biology (larger cities) and Electricity (needed for Broadway) so when you beeline straight to the mall, you're also all set up to benefit from it.

Hmm, I didn't know it was so easy to beeline to. I usually didn't research it until after I discovered Robotics and Fusion.

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