Apolyton Warlords Review by Solver

[DanQ]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Any chance of putting the review onto one page?

No.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

[DanQ]

Originally posted by Slax
[..] could use some "<- Prev Next->" links for page navigation.

Picky, picky...

I've added them. You're welcome. Now, subscribe to PLUS and we'll call it even...

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Dan; Apolyton CS

[DaviddesJ]

Originally posted by Thedrin

Are you sure about that? A CR3 trebuchet against a city garrison II fortified longbowman is at a disadvantage (11 vs. 11.7).

I don't understand your math, at all.

CR3 Trebuchet has +175% against cities.
CG2 Longbow has +95% defense in (non-hill) city.
Result is 4 vs 6/(1+1.75-0.95) = 4 vs 3.33.

A definite advantage for the Trebuchet.

Also, if you have trebuchets it's not unreasonable to assume that the defender has castles so more time would be needed to reduce the defecnes.

Nope. It takes 4 rounds of bombardment for trebuchets to reduce the city defense to zero, no matter what value it starts at. Walls and castles don't make you any more resistant to bombardment (which is why they are pretty useless once siege weapons become available).

[Solver]

Castles give more defense, hence possibly more time needed to bombard.

Comparing a CR3 Trebuchet with a CG2 Longbowman is not fair. If you want to compare, use the same number of promotions. CR2 Trebuchets and CG2 Longbowmen are possible upon production. A CR3 Trebuchet isn't easy to get, you can't make one, you need to win battles with it. And survive. I don't exactly see how you're going to create a whole stack of those unless you're facing an Ancient enemy.

[Will9]

4 cataputs and 2 trebuchets can eliminate a 100% defensive bonus in one turn.

[Randolph]

Originally posted by DaviddesJ



CR3 Trebuchet has +175% against cities.
CG2 Longbow has +95% defense in (non-hill) city.
Result is 4 vs 6/(1+1.75-0.95) = 4 vs 3.33.

Could you (or anyone) point me to a thread that explains this back-ass way of doing combat calculations? Everyone seems to know the non-intuitive ways that Civ does combat calculations, but I can’t seem to find it explained anywhere.

[padillah]

I can't find it right now (and I'm leaving for home so I'm not gonna look) but it's in the Strategy forum some months ago.

But, I'm warning you, you're not gonna like it. The math is a mess.

It's easier to remember there are no minuses, just percent pluses. So if you have a str 2 unit +100% you get a str 4 unit.

Now, the odds of a str 4 unit beating a str 3 unit are the complicated morass that I find incomprehensable.

Hope you find it and hope it helps you.

Tom P.

EDIT: Meh, I lied. Here's the CIV Combat System explained in all it's gorry detail.

[Addled Platypus]

anyone have an issue dealing without being able to build a city

late in game, I did not realy worry about it, later after that was able to build again

[DrSpike]

How do you get to the late game with no cities?

[Nugog]

Trebuchets are very very groovy, unless there is a stack of them parked outside your city of course.

[j1sharb]

So, is the expansion worth the price? Should we get it?

[DrSpike]

Well that's subjective. I think if you read Solver's review you can form your own opinion about whether it is worth it to you.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Any chance of putting the review onto one page?

Any chance of summarizing the review into 10 lines?

[DrSpike]

Warlords isn't bad.
There are new features
like vassals
and unique buildings
but overall it doesn't offer a great deal
over the original game.
This isn't surprising
given how hard it is
to do x-packs
for Civ games.

[Zoid]

Thanks, Spikie