Army size scale

[Flash]

Hello All,

I'm curious, Does anyone know basically what the unit size is in manpower or maybe a unit size from history?

[Badtz Maru]

It's intentionally left abstract and undefined, but I remember hearing that in one of the earlier Civ games that each unit is approximately a division (10,000-20,000 troops). That doesn't translate well to earlier eras, though.

[Arrian]

It's complicated. Units are worth various # of troops. The more advanced the unit, the more soldiers it's worth.

Also, some buildings and technologies add to your troop total.

-Arrian

[LordShiva]

How many ICBMs in the ICBM unit?

[Arrian]

Apparently that's worth like 50k soldiers.

-Arrian

[eris]

There are 50k soldiers in an ICBM! Isn't that kind of crowded? I mean, it must have been bad in the Trojan Horse, but this is extreme! I have managed to internaly abstract and visualize troop numbers per unit, but this is going to mess all that up big time.

Oh, wait a second. I don't use nukes. I don't have to worry about this. What a relief!

[Tattila the Hun]

How do you think it's propelled?

[LordShiva]

[Flash]

Thanks guys,

So, The value of a unit does not translate into size. Then If I imagine my Praetorians are "500" man Cohorts that's fine and if I imagine them as full "5,000" man Marian Legions, that's fine. Oh, well.

I can have fun making a brigade equal to 5 regiments of riflemen. I can see Artillery grouped as a Battery.

I read in a Roman Warfare Book that a typical Roman Army in Caesar's time was 4 Legions of Infantry and 2 "768" man Ala plus various Auxilery Cohorts. That would be a huge Army to field if using "Cohort" size as base units. (40 Cohorts of Praetorians, 2 Corhorts Min of Cavalry, 1 or units of Artillery, and at least 2 Cohorts of Archers est. total) (I'm willing to try such a stack)

The next question is if there is a Cap on max units per civ or game? In Civ 3 unless they changed it was 4096 units per civ (18 Civs).

[Will9]

Originally posted by Flash
Thanks guys,

So, The value of a unit does not translate into size. Then If I imagine my Praetorians are "500" man Cohorts that's fine and if I imagine them as full "5,000" man Marian Legions, that's fine. Oh, well.

I can have fun making a brigade equal to 5 regiments of riflemen. I can see Artillery grouped as a Battery.

I read in a Roman Warfare Book that a typical Roman Army in Caesar's time was 4 Legions of Infantry and 2 "768" man Ala plus various Auxilery Cohorts. That would be a huge Army to field if using "Cohort" size as base units. (40 Cohorts of Praetorians, 2 Corhorts Min of Cavalry, 1 or units of Artillery, and at least 2 Cohorts of Archers est. total) (I'm willing to try such a stack)

The next question is if there is a Cap on max units per civ or game? In Civ 3 unless they changed it was 4096 units per civ (18 Civs).

Praetorians were not soldiers, they were the emporer's guards. I'm suprised the special unit was not legionaries.

That Roman Warfare Book is incorrect. The Auxillery wasn't organized until the rule of Augustus.

[Arrian]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=163098

Soldiers- This has been the most intensive and by far the longest to research, as there are many factors that contribute to this number. Firstly it has no bearing on the total units you have in fact you could have zero units but show 100000+ soldiers in the demo screen, you will see how in a second.
Factor 1- Population points. For every two population points from all your cities you get 1000 soldiers. So;
1pop = 0 soldiers
2pop= 1000
3pop= 1000
4pop= 2000
5pop= 2000
6pop= 3000 and so on.

Factor 2- Technologies. Discovering some technologies (mostly military but not exclusively) gives you extra soldiers. I have to say some of them struck me as a little strange, like Military tradition gives you zero but hunting gives you 2000, but I’m not here to argue about that. Here is the list of techs that give you soldiers. If they are not listed then they give zero soldiers.

2000 soldiers – Sailing, Hunting, Mining, Animal Husbandry
4000 soldiers- Guilds, Wheel, Alphabet, Astronomy, Metal Casting, Compass, Construction, Steel, Radio, Satellites
6000 soldiers- Mathematics, Chemistry, Combustion, Archery
8000 soldiers- Fission, Flight, Bronze Working, Machinery, Assembly Line
10000 soldiers- Horseback Riding, Iron Working, Artillery, Industrialism, Rocketry
12000 soldiers- Gunpowder, Rifling

Factor 3- City Improvement/Wonders. Like discovering some technologies, build certain improvements and wonders will increase the amount of soldiers you have on the demo screen. In this case you amount added for each improvement. For example you get 2000 soldiers for each wall you build, so if you have 5 walls, you have an extra 10000 soldiers. With wonders that give you soldiers, you can only build one so you only get that bonus once. Here is the list of what you get for each improvement. Improvements that don’t give soldiers are not listed.

2000 soldiers- Walls, Castles, Dry dock, Forge, Factory
4000 soldiers- Barracks, Mt. Rushmore, Red Cross, Iron works
8000 soldiers- Heroic Epic, Chichen Itza, Scotland Yard, West Point

Factor 4- Units. Finally each unit type has a different amount of soldiers attached to it, so a warrior contributes 1000 soldiers, while a Swordsman is 3000 soldiers. Interestingly enough a units experience points has no bearing on the amount of soldiers it equates to. Units such as scouts, workers missionaries and spies contribute zero soldiers to the demo screen. Here is the full list of what you get for each unit;

1000 soldiers – Warrior, Quechua
2000 soldiers – Axeman, Spearman, Archer, Chariot, Galley
3000 soldiers – Swordsman, Phalanx, Skimisher, War Chariot, Immortal, Horse Archer, Catapult, Caravel
4000 soldiers – Jaguar, Praetorian, Maceman, Pikeman, Longbowman, Crossbowman, Keshik, War Elephant, Galleon
5000 soldiers – Samurai, Cho-Ko-Nu,
6000 soldiers – Musketman, Knight, Frigate, Ironclad, Transport,
8000 soldiers – Musketeer, Camel Archer, Conquistador, Cannon, Destroyer, Submarine
10000 soldiers – Rifleman, Grenadier, Machine Gun, Carrier
12000 soldiers – Redcoat, Cavalry, Battleship
15000 soldiers – Cossack, Fighter, Jet Fighter, Bomber
16000 soldiers – Infantry
18000 soldiers – Marine
20000 soldiers – SAM Infantry, Gunship, Artillery, Stealth Bomber
22000 soldiers – Navy SEAL
25000 soldiers – Tank
30000 soldiers – Panzer, Mechanized Infantry
40000 soldiers – Modern Armor, ICBM

There ya go.

-Arrian

[Flash]

Arrian,
So, Techically, Are these just soldiers or soldier points?

Sorry, answered my own question.