Attacking multiple civ occupied squares

[DrSpike]

And if you are at war with both what happens with collateral dmg?

[Arrian]

You're welcome, rah. I have no idea about the other questions... I generally do my best to fight one war at a time!

-Arrian

[Arrian]

No, wait, that's not right! I just remembered....

I've encountered that situation once, as the defender. I brought an AI civ into a war to help me out, and during that war I was able to surge ahead technologically & production-wise, but my ally was taking a bit of a beating. So I sent a few riflemen down to the front and fortified them in my ally's city.

The enemy attacked and my rifles defended first (killing a bunch of catapults, war elephants and macemen ). I believe collateral damage hit both my units and my AI ally's units.

-Arrian

[rah]

Well, I'm getting almost all my questions answered. Thanks again

And yes sending troops to help fortify is MUCH better than gifting them to them only to have them use them later to attack you. That happened to me when I took pity on someone and gifted them a destroyer to help fight off another civ's invation (thinking it would even improve our relations. which IT DIDN"T)

ONLY later to have that destroyer show up in my backyard and start destroying my fisheries (i could tell by the weird promotions I mistakenly gave it, which is another reason i wanted to gift it)

[Nugog]

Originally posted by rah
When you kill a city, what happens to all the ships or planes there. Do they die or are they relocated?

I think it is strange that they are destroyed.

Surely they should be the spoils of war?

[rah]

I think after that you captured the siege units in CIV III that was quite unbalancing in favor of the Human players, I think they thought it best to just destroy them.

At least we get to keep the workers. (even if they were settlers)

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Arrian
The enemy attacked and my rifles defended first (killing a bunch of catapults, war elephants and macemen ). I believe collateral damage hit both my units and my AI ally's units.

-Arrian

What if you weren't allied but were sharing the same square?

[Nugog]

Originally posted by rah
I think after that you captured the siege units in CIV III that was quite unbalancing in favor of the Human players, I think they thought it best to just destroy them.

At least we get to keep the workers. (even if they were settlers)

I never played CIV III so can't comment, however I still think that we should get to keep any ships or planes

[Arrian]

Originally posted by rah
Well, I'm getting almost all my questions answered. Thanks again

And yes sending troops to help fortify is MUCH better than gifting them to them only to have them use them later to attack you. That happened to me when I took pity on someone and gifted them a destroyer to help fight off another civ's invation (thinking it would even improve our relations. which IT DIDN"T)

ONLY later to have that destroyer show up in my backyard and start destroying my fisheries (i could tell by the weird promotions I mistakenly gave it, which is another reason i wanted to gift it)

I've been frustrated by gifts that are poorly used. I recall a game where a friendly civ was under attack by 2 civs (sometimes both at once, sometimes one or the other) and clearly being ground down. So I started sending over galleon/transport loads of infantry and, later, tanks. I also gave them a destroyer or two.

Instead of using this new military power to retake their captured cities (they were facing grenadiers and rifles), they made peace as soon as the power graph balance allowed it. Meh.

-Arrian

[Quillan]

The thing you have to be careful of when fortifying your units on a friend's city, is if the attacker isn't at war with you, it won't do any good at all. I have personal experience with this. In a recent game, I had a military force on the other continent of the world, having recently knocked the french down from the #1 military and #2 GNP positions in the game. Egypt was at war with Monty, and it was a 3 way border between the territory I'd taken from Napoleon, the Aztec civ and the Egyption civ. I had returned several cities to Egypt that had been taken by the French before my forces arrived, and one of them hadn't yet been garrisoned by the Egyptians. I had 3 infantry in the city. Monty came in and took the city without a fight. All of my infantry got displaced back to my own territory.

[rah]

Sometimes you can use that to your benefit.
Especially if you have a settler with your troops. If you plan it right, being near a city who's culture is about to expand, you can be moved to an open area that you might not have been able to move to.

I've given up on gifting. It's never helped me.

[DrSpike]

Yes, what's mine is mine and what's theirs is mine too.

[Ming]

I've stopped gifting as well... while they may currently be your best bud... and you are doing them a favor to keep them alive... it never seems to work. They don't use the unit right, and then it ends up being used against you... screw em'

[bigpapa729]

Originally posted by Quillan
The thing you have to be careful of when fortifying your units on a friend's city, is if the attacker isn't at war with you, it won't do any good at all. I have personal experience with this. In a recent game, I had a military force on the other continent of the world, having recently knocked the french down from the #1 military and #2 GNP positions in the game. Egypt was at war with Monty, and it was a 3 way border between the territory I'd taken from Napoleon, the Aztec civ and the Egyption civ. I had returned several cities to Egypt that had been taken by the French before my forces arrived, and one of them hadn't yet been garrisoned by the Egyptians. I had 3 infantry in the city. Monty came in and took the city without a fight. All of my infantry got displaced back to my own territory.

agree with tthis analysis

had it happen while i was attacking egypt while both her and i were friends with monty. i destroyed all the egyptian defenses in the city and took control of it. monty's troops were not involved, there fore were left in the city... only this time in my control

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Ming
I've stopped gifting as well... while they may currently be your best bud... and you are doing them a favor to keep them alive... it never seems to work. They don't use the unit right, and then it ends up being used against you... screw em'

Agreed. If you want to help out an ally, basically you have to declare war on their enemies, or otherwise pressure/bribe them to lay off.

I wish there was a way to sell units, though (as opposed to gifting them). I've always wanted to be an arms dealer.