modern era leaders

[Grenouille]

The modern times leaders in Civ IVs are all from the 30ties-50ties.. Gandhi, Roosevelt, Mao, with Warlords also Churchill, Stalin.

Do you think that any leader beyond that era would be qualified for being in CIV?

Perhabs Gorbachev? Reagan? Kennedy? Bush? Khrushchev?
Hmm, I can only think of USA and USSR leaders atm.

Who do I miss who has made a big enough impact on history to be in this game, given the 24 Civs we have/will have soon?

[-SafaN-]

u answered yourself, none of the recent leaders has enuf spine to get in the books of history. Mandela would be closest, while Castro's reign is also remarkable. Ofcourse saddam and milosevic have a big influence on the present shape of the world, but, like hitler and stalin, they won't be used cause of their negative connotation.
But western leaders? Forgot it, they are to busy getting votes and never come too the big decisions, and besides, we haven't had a good war in the last few decides, and i hope that will remain so

[Nugog]

I agree with -SaFan-

No modern leaders really jump out as contenders.

I do not think Mandela is in the race either, more of a figurehead/image than a great leader.

And don't even start us on Bush..........

[Solver]

The issue with modern leaders, IMO, is that they're too recent, hence, there's not much historical judgement of them. There's plenty of historical judgement on Roosevelt, Churchill or Gandhi, but not really on Bush.

I think, then again, that Gorbachev is the exception. It's been 16 years already, what he did is very well known, and with the judgement already in existence.

[LordShiva]

Thatcher could make it, I think. Maybe also Ben Gurion, de Gaulle, Khomeini.

[Grenouille]

Hmm, the problem with Gorbachev is probarly, that he, in a way, "weakened his nation".. by CIV standards.

Well, I guess you`re right when you say that modern leaders are too recent, at least regarding the era after the end of the cold war.. Mandela might be an exception, but there`s no South African civilization in CIV, resp. he doesn´t fit as a Zulu leader.

Cold war leaders, on the other hand, should be fine. Kennedy would work. The 60ties are already 40 years ago, so not that recent anymore.

How about Khomenei for Persia? hehe..

[Solver]

Gorbachev weakened his nation? Maybe. Westerners often regard him, though, as a man who ended the existence of a totalitarian country. And some of the leaders in Civ4 weakened their nation much more than Gorbachev. The best example is Mansa Musa - he gave away so much money that the Mali had a deep economic crisis because of him.

[Grenouille]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Thatcher could make it, I think. Maybe also Ben Gurion, de Gaulle, Khomeini.

Yeah, I also thought of De Gaulle.. another leaderhead for the official WW2 scenario that I`m hoping to happen at some point.

The problem with Thatcher is that there are already 3 british leaders, and with Ben Gurion, that there`s no Israeli/hebrew civ so far.

[Grenouille]

Originally posted by Solver
Gorbachev weakened his nation? Maybe. Westerners often regard him, though, as a man who ended the existence of a totalitarian country.

In game terms, he weakened Russia: he lost some cities! hehe. Of course, In reality, what he did was great.

[Solver]

In game terms, he created a different civ .

[LordShiva]

Pet peeve: Gandhi isn't even a real leader. He never led any country

[Grenouille]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Pet peeve: Gandhi isn't even a real leader. He never led any country

I was thinking the same, but well, I mean.. yeah, he never was official head of state or something like that, but then again, wasn´t he pretty much the leader of the indian people anyways?

[Solver]

Who said a leader in Civ terms is a leader of a country, necessarily? Caesar was never an emperor, he was a military guy, and a dictator. I also find it interesting how Stalin is in Civ1/Civ4 as a Russian leader, never having been a leader of Russia.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Grenouille
wasn´t he pretty much the leader of the indian people anyways?

He was more like a mascot, and advisor to the real leaders.

[Grenouille]

Or Friedrich der Grosse of Prussia, who never was leader of Germany..