Expansion for warmongers only?

[guermantes]

From Gamespot's review.

"First up are the new warlords units. Warlords are an offshoot of the new great-general unit, which joins the existing great-people units, such as great artists and great prophets. Basically, if your units are successful in battle, you may generate a great-general unit. The great general can do things such as construct a military academy or turn into a great instructor, meaning that units built at a city where he's an instructor will get free experience. Or, if you attach the great general to a military unit, he becomes a warlord, which is incredibly powerful. Basically, the warlord will instantly give all the units in his stack two free promotion upgrades, and the warlord gains 50 percent more experience than normal. With a warlord, you'll be able to wage war against your enemies like never before."

I know there will be other new things but this seems rather decisive to me. Basically if you do not go for a warmonger and Great general strategy you will most likely be overrun by the AI if it chooses to go down that route. This would force you to militarize yourself. And thus the expansion would most likely only be fun for players who tend to make war, and thus can make active use of the new unit.

No?

[Solver]

Obviously Generals are something that warmongers are likely to use more than builders, but that shouldn't mean that the game will become unbalanced in favour of warmongering .

[LordShiva]

All it's doing is somewhat correcting the existing bias against warmongers

You already have your Great Artists, Merchants, Scientists, Engineers... I want my Great General

[Smellycowsquid]

Originally posted by LordShiva
All it's doing is somewhat correcting the existing bias against warmongers

You already have your Great Artists, Merchants, Scientists, Engineers... I want my Great General

[zeace]

I do hope that they help out the lowly builder with a few defensive upgrades. I think the easiest would be to increase the value of walls. Right now they're a little underpowered, because if you can avoid war for a few dozen years, your cultural defense grows larger than the walls would have been.

Castles and Forts should be improved too. I've never built a castle, and seldom build forts. Maybe they need ZOC or something?

Hopefully something like this will give builders something to protect themselves from these more powerful warmongers.

[Blake]

CIV has always really meant to be a balanced game between warmongering and peace.

Assuming that AI's also vassalize it may not be such a strictly human benefit. It's probable more feasible that one AI could force another to surrender than to outright destroy, AI's are bad at taking cities but aren't bad at a good show of force.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by peace
I do hope that they help out the lowly builder with a few defensive upgrades....give builders something to protect themselves from these more powerful warmongers.

1. Protective trait
2. Great Wall

[zeace]

The Great wall will definately help, but I don't want the new builder strategy to require that I get the great wall or restart.

The protective trait is also goign to help, but again the builder strategy shouldn't be pick on of the 2-3 leaders with this trait.

[MasterDave]

There are also the new unique buildings for each civ. That is something that should appeal to builders.

[joncnunn]

Vassel state is something that the pragmatic builders might appreciate as well.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by LordShiva
2. Great Wall

Isn't it only useful against Barbarians? If so it would be quite useless.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Isn't it only useful against Barbarians? If so it would be quite useless.

Wow, it'll help me very much if I can be protected against barbarians in the early game! Finally no problems anymore with pillaging barbarians wandering through my territory all the time.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by CyberShy


Wow, it'll help me very much if I can be protected against barbarians in the early game! Finally no problems anymore with pillaging barbarians wandering through my territory all the time.

And then you can pick 'em off when and where you want

[Robert]

Indeed, put some units outside the walls that need some xp and have some fun 8)

[Nugog]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Indeed, put some units outside the walls that need some xp and have some fun 8)

Yeah - Barbs aren't very smart, and may well just hit the wall, and follow it in one direction.

A suitably placed hill, with a fort (finally possibly a use for forts) and you end up with an almost certain 10 XP per unit army!

Nice