Weird power graph

[Solver]

Score includes military IIRC... you can mouseover your own score to see what it's composed of.

Adagio, actually, what graph is that? Overall score, or military, or what?

[Whoha]

Re: Weird power graph

Originally posted by Adagio
Could someone please explain to me, what the Egypts did a few years ago... seems like they all of the sudden almost doubled their power in one turn:

they insta built 14 fusion pbs?

[Adagio]

Originally posted by TimeTraveler
Were they at war with anyone? ...and if so, is it possible that they took a city that had two or more wonders?

They have never been at war with anyone

Originally posted by Solver
Adagio, actually, what graph is that? Overall score, or military, or what?

As the thread title says, it's the power/military graph

[Solver]

I would hazard a guess at mass upgrade. Did their economy seem to be doing well? If yes, they might have discovered one of the technologies that gives a new key unit type, like Rifling, and did a mass upgrade.

AIs do indeed do such mass-upgrades. If Egypt got such a tech and had the money, and considered the upgrade to be necessary, it'd happen. How was the geography? Did they have a fairly powerful neighbour close by? If so, a defensive mass-upgrade is the best bet for what happened.

[LordShiva]

But the AI never has enough money for something like that.

[Silver14]

It doesn't cost the AI much to upgrade its units, and they tend to have quite a bit of units later in the game. The human player would never be rich enough but I've seen some AI's with money and at their cost I would think it possible.

After Egypt went up a few turns later the other AI's that were doing well (that is not dead) also had a shorter but straight increase. Perhaps Egypt also traded techs with other AI's and did a mass unit upgrade at the same time? Perhaps they also got money from the other AI's for whatever golden tech they happened to have. That would help explain how they could afford to upgrade all their units and why the other AI's took some time to have a smaller straight up increase too.

I would also speculate that perhaps they were missing out on some tech that would have given them better units all ready and that their score graph would have been higher with it. Maybe they had avoided an upgrade because of a missing tech. Perhaps they didn't have riflemen just musketeers and hit soldiers as an example? They would have more money for having avoided a middle upgrade to use on a more advanced one later?

If you still have the saved game you should post it so we can look at everything. Maybe using the world editor to poke around would reveal some clues. Its all speculation without it.

[Adagio]

I don't have the save anymore, but if the AI's get a good discount at upgrading, then I guess that's the reason
It doesn't look like Egypt is that rich though, as they only had very few cities, and they are the leading civ tech-wise (so they had spent a lot of money of research)... and I don't allow tech-trading, so no income from there

How much of an discount do they get?

[Silver14]

I'm not sure of the exact figures, I think it differs on difficulty level. I've seen in threads here and elsewhere that the AI does get an upgrade discount, perhaps someone can clear it up on the amount.

There is a post here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/archive/index.php/t-141475.html

That is mainly about unit maintenance but also mentions the AI pays less for upgrades. It was a quick google. I don't play at Civ Fanantics.

[Blake]

If memory doesn't fail me the discount is around 75%, so they pay 1/4 what the human does.

[Solver]

On Prince, yeah, the AI pays 25% for upgrade costs. So the AIs with a good econ and some money can certainly do a mass-upgrade.

[Jaybe]

The following shows MOST of the specs for the different skill levels (MS Word doc in table format), v.152. I don't recall for sure that I have checked it for 1.61, but I believe so.

EDIT: 6K Year Old Man, you're welcome (as is everyone else who appreciates it).

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Blake
If memory doesn't fail me the discount is around 75%, so they pay 1/4 what the human does.

Wow, that explains how they can afford such an mass upgrade... I'm playing on Prince btw

[Silver14]

Adagio, what kind of military units were around during this jump? Since you had tech trading turned off I think that Egypt probably did skip a unit in the middle of some kind and went from having a bunch of outdated weaker units to top notch units in one burst. I just don't see the jump being that big if they just upgraded one step in unit strength - unless it was Mech Infantry perhaps.

they only had very few cities, and they are the leading civ tech-wise

Did they have some religions founded too? Being small with holy shrines it wouldn't surprise me if the AI could run at 100% science and still make money. I've pulled that off before I see no reason why the AI couldn't either.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Jaybe
The following shows MOST of the specs for the different skill levels (MS Word doc in table format), v.152. I don't recall for sure that I have checked it for 1.61, but I believe so.

That's a really helpful table to have. Thanks!

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Silver14
Adagio, what kind of military units were around during this jump?

It was around the time where they got riflemen

Originally posted by Silver14
Did they have some religions founded too?

Now that you mention it, they have the holy city to hinduism, the largest religion there is... that explains how they got the money