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  • It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

    Before I say anything else, I just have to get this out....Damn, you Sid Meier! I'm tired as hell because of the "just on more turn" addiction you've given me. It was 1 AM by the time I was able to tear myself away from the game last night. Its gonna be a looooong day at work today.

    Anyway, I was wondering if anyone on Noble level has had any interesting wars early in the game, because I didn't. As the Americans I shared a continent with the Chinese and never had the cause or reason to attack them. Thats mostly because in the early game I had taken the lions share of space on the continent and since the barbarians seemed to target only me I was caught up combatting them. I had the only horse resources and wouldn't trade it with China, in fear that they might get uppity once they had some knights.

    They didn't. But in the mid 1700's I must have done something to piss Elizabeth off since she cancelled our deals and attacked me with no warning. First off I was surprised since the same turn she declared war she landed knights and catapults on my shores, by a weakly defended city. Its no lie to say they appeared out of nowhere. Thats no complaint because it was interesting. I was lucky to have troops nearby that could repel them, though they did destroy the first city.

    But other than that so far I've been war free. I'll probably be attacked again I'm sure, (probably by Montezuma since he's "furious" with me.) but none of these guys are on my continent so I probably won't be doing more than defense. I suppose if there were more civs on my continent there would have been a turf war earlier, but the chinese are "friendly" towards me and we share the same religion so I'm counting on them being peaceful. (but not trusting them too much...the reason my coast was lightly defended was because my borders with them had the majority of my army)

    The next war will probably be fought with more modern weapons, but if the AI isn't good at massive invasions it won't be too scary I believe. Landing a handful of troops at a time is a minor nuisance in the late game (I'm guessing, really, but thats how it was in CivIII) but I think I can handle it.

    I do have a question though. I thought if another civ had the same religion that you founded you could see into their cities. I could be wrong, because I can't. But then maybe I'm doing something wrong.
    "I know nobody likes me...why do we have to have Valentines Day to emphasize it?"- Charlie Brown

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    Only 1AM?
    You're not really one of us!

    Real CivAddicts play untill the sun sets AGAIN
    Formerly known as "CyberShy"
    Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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    • #3
      I do have a question though. I thought if another civ had the same religion that you founded you could see into their cities.
      If you founded it and it's your state religion, there's no fog over cities with that religion. If your state religion is something else or you switched to free religion then you can't see.

      Real CivAddicts play untill the sun sets AGAIN
      Real Civ addicts block out the light so they have no idea what the sun is doing.

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      • #4
        Noble level has had any interesting wars early in the game


        Lower levels do tend to be more peacefull games.

        One of the reasons large maps are better is that there are not enough religions to get around and therefore blocks are formed, which at some point will explode.
        Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
        Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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        • #5
          1am? Pfftt... Amateur.
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          • #6
            Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

            Originally posted by D4everman
            Anyway, I was wondering if anyone on Noble level has had any interesting wars early in the game, because I didn't...
            For me the game seriously lacks a spontaneus war spark. If you play the game long enough, you can pretty much predict when wars will happen. Yes the AI will surprise you, but if you look back, you can see why wars happen and when.

            It has to do with military power, leader personality, and diplomacy.

            WWII was started in a typical civ fashion. One Civ's leader felt he could gain by invading another civ.

            WWI started differently. It was an assasination that was the spark. All the countries involved were just sitting around pretty much waiting to have a war, and when the excues came, they jumped at it. It could have been anything. Civ 4 lacks this kind of thing. I'd love to see something like a culture flip spark a war. It would be cool if gifting units to another civ would piss off that civ's enemies and possibly spark a war. this could be an option set in the game menu so if anyone likes the game "as is" this wouldn't ruin the experience.

            I know Civ 4 is not supposed to be a war game, but throwing in random war chances would make it a lot more interesting. And that would really make it a "just one more turn" experience.
            The Rook

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            • #7
              Re: Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

              Originally posted by Rook


              . . . Civ 4 lacks this kind of thing. I'd love to see something like a culture flip spark a war. It would be cool if gifting units to another civ would piss off that civ's enemies and possibly spark a war. this could be an option set in the game menu so if anyone likes the game "as is" this wouldn't ruin the experience.
              Culture flips can start a war.

              Even culture taking A SQUARE can start a war.


              I was playing a game as Ghandi. Cathrine and I had gotten to be pretty good friends. We had open borders, sharing resources. We even had a defensive pact.

              My excellent culture overtook a square of Cathrine's. Once this happened, Cathrine canceled open borders, canceled our defensive pact, and declared war upon me.

              After closer examination, I saw that the one square had oil in it. I quickly took the city that had the oil in it for myself, and then offered it back to Cathrine for peace. She accepted, got her oil back, and reopened a defensive pact with me.

              It was more about resources than about land.
              Early to rise, Early to bed.
              Makes you healthy and socially dead.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Amarsir

                If you founded it and it's your state religion, there's no fog over cities with that religion. If your state religion is something else or you switched to free religion then you can't see.


                Real Civ addicts block out the light so they have no idea what the sun is doing.
                Well, I can't blow off work or I'd get into real trouble. (military). But, I had just moved when Civ III came out and had nothing but a chair, a table and my laptop in my quarters. Since I had just changed duty locations I was on leave so went from a friday night until sunday playing Civ III only moving out of the chair for bathroom breaks and to order pizzas and chinese food. So, can I join the club now?
                "I know nobody likes me...why do we have to have Valentines Day to emphasize it?"- Charlie Brown

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                • #9
                  "Without sanction, the American ambassador tried to assassinate Emperor Tokugawa. A personal feud is assumed to have sparked the event."

                  Something from MOO I'd like to see in Civ.
                  I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

                    Originally posted by The keeper


                    Culture flips can start a war.

                    Even culture taking A SQUARE can start a war.


                    I was playing a game as Ghandi. Cathrine and I had gotten to be pretty good friends. We had open borders, sharing resources. We even had a defensive pact.

                    My excellent culture overtook a square of Cathrine's. Once this happened, Cathrine canceled open borders, canceled our defensive pact, and declared war upon me.

                    After closer examination, I saw that the one square had oil in it. I quickly took the city that had the oil in it for myself, and then offered it back to Cathrine for peace. She accepted, got her oil back, and reopened a defensive pact with me.

                    It was more about resources than about land.
                    Well thats cool. I've gone to war in Civ III over resources....even with allies. Hey, I need saltpeter and its just over the border on my pal Mao's land. Too bad for Mao, because I'll take that square if I have a reasonable chance of keeping it. I'm certainly not going to pay for a strategic resource if I can grab it. But thats how I would do it. Catherine wouldn't have gotten that oil back unless she could force me to give it up.
                    "I know nobody likes me...why do we have to have Valentines Day to emphasize it?"- Charlie Brown

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                    • #11
                      Try playing pangea on standard maps with high sea levels. That will croud every one in and pretty much guarantee some wars. I like playing Rome in that situation. Preatorians rock.

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                      • #12
                        Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

                        Originally posted by D4everman
                        The next war will probably be fought with more modern weapons, but if the AI isn't good at massive invasions it won't be too scary I believe. Landing a handful of troops at a time is a minor nuisance in the late game (I'm guessing, really, but thats how it was in CivIII) but I think I can handle it.
                        Don't get too smug, the AI just might surprise you. It's much better than it was in Civ 3, especially when it comes to maritime invasions.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

                          Originally posted by Willem


                          Don't get too smug, the AI just might surprise you. It's much better than it was in Civ 3, especially when it comes to maritime invasions.
                          It's hard to be impressed when it lands Catapults next to my Tanks on the turn it declares war on me. It had the requisite tech to upgrade and build Artillary. I feel it should have waited to either build Artillary or have upgraded it's Catapults before declaring war on me.

                          I also think the AI wastes units on Pillaging. It leaves it units out in the open just to pillage while I pick them off when they move off of defensively advantageous terrain.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Re: It was 1 AM before I could stop doing "just one more turn"....

                            Originally posted by The keeper


                            Culture flips can start a war.

                            Even culture taking A SQUARE can start a war.


                            I was playing a game as Ghandi. Cathrine and I had gotten to be pretty good friends. We had open borders, sharing resources. We even had a defensive pact.

                            My excellent culture overtook a square of Cathrine's. Once this happened, Cathrine canceled open borders, canceled our defensive pact, and declared war upon me.

                            After closer examination, I saw that the one square had oil in it. I quickly took the city that had the oil in it for myself, and then offered it back to Cathrine for peace. She accepted, got her oil back, and reopened a defensive pact with me.

                            It was more about resources than about land.
                            You went to war for oil and then gave it back? Too bad you don´t work in the Withe House...
                            I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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                            • #15
                              1am is early for a real civ session.

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