Expansion Pack: Civs that MUST be included

[Två blå bananer]

The Danish and Swedish powers of the middle ages had a very marginal impact on history compared to their ancestors. It's the Norsemen of the end of the first millenium that earned the place in history.

Weeell not quiet true.
I would like to point out that Sweden, under Gustaf II Adolf (aka Gustavus Adolphus) were one of the major players in the thirty years war. Unless I´m mistaken, he actually LED the protestant faction.

Also, at some period in history (hey, I´m no historian), Sweden were the suppliers of the best steel in Europe, exporting to practically everyone.

I may also add that John Ericsson was a swede (The propeller, and of course, the Monitor). And so was Cristopher Polhem. (Who was one of the reasons Sweden did have the best steel.)
And let´s not forget Alfred Nobel. (The Nobel prize, anyone?)

[LordShiva]

Don't forget Mikael Karlsson, president of the SSNC!

He gives us this.

[A Henriques]

Fellow Companions:

I hereby DEMAND that the Portuguese people be represented in this game:

- Facts:
- Lusitania, ancient denomination of a northern part of Portugal, was never dominated by the Roman Empire, during it´s conquests. It was kinda like Asterix in a latino version. Their leader´s name was Viriato...
- Portuguese people were the only people in the Iberic Penynsula that have not fallen under Castilla and Leon´s authority, except during a brief period in History, from 1580-1640. We have the Bascos, the Catalães, the Andalusos, all under Castilla´s authority...
- We had one of the largest empires in the World, along with Spain. From the late XV century until the earlier XVII century. We conquered most of the North African trading posts and cities. We conquered the Bojador Cape in Africa, wich was thought to be the edge of the World. We were the first to go around the Cape of Torments, now known as the Cape of Good Hope. We were the first to discover the maritime route to India, and therefore it´s incredible riches. We reached the far east, and were responsible for spreading the Catholic religion in those parts of the world. Also we were the first to sell firearms to the Japonese.
- We had the first man to circumnavigate the Globe. Yes, Magalhães (Magillian) was Portuguese.
- We discovered Vera Cruz. Later baptized Brasil, due to the native wood.
- We have the oldest aliance in history, with England.
- It was with the defeat in Portugal, with the help of the English allies, that Napoleon´s european conquest was halted.
- We were the most advanced civilization in navigation and mapping during the Portuguese Conquests. Actually, Caravela (caravel) is a Portuguese term.
- Half of the fleet known as the Invencible Fleet, wich was destined to invade England, was made of Portuguese ships. These were used when Spain took control of our Crown during the 1580-1640 crisis. We lost the bulk of our fleet in that battle. Thanx Philip ...
- We have one of the oldest Universities in the World. The Coimbra University.
- We had the Moors kicked out of our territory, by the end of the XIII century. Spain only achieved that in 1492, if I´m not mistaken, with the conquest of Granada.

There are more historical facts that backup the ideia for a Portuguese inclusion in this game, but I think these are enough.
Portugal played a major role in the World, during the XV, XVI, and XVII century and I think it´s only fair to be included in the game. For Christ´s sake! If the Malinese are represented... No disrespect, but could someone tell me in what misterious way the Malinese Empire played a larger role than Portugal in the World, as we know it???

[Odin]

Originally posted by A Henriques
Fellow Companions:

I hereby DEMAND that the Portuguese people be represented in this game:

- Facts:
- Lusitania, ancient denomination of a northern part of Portugal, was never dominated by the Roman Empire, during it´s conquests. It was kinda like Asterix in a latino version. Their leader´s name was Viriato...
- Portuguese people were the only people in the Iberic Penynsula that have not fallen under Castilla and Leon´s authority, except during a brief period in History, from 1580-1640. We have the Bascos, the Catalães, the Andalusos, all under Castilla´s authority...
- We had one of the largest empires in the World, along with Spain. From the late XV century until the earlier XVII century. We conquered most of the North African trading posts and cities. We conquered the Bojador Cape in Africa, wich was thought to be the edge of the World. We were the first to go around the Cape of Torments, now known as the Cape of Good Hope. We were the first to discover the maritime route to India, and therefore it´s incredible riches. We reached the far east, and were responsible for spreading the Catholic religion in those parts of the world. Also we were the first to sell firearms to the Japonese.
- We had the first man to circumnavigate the Globe. Yes, Magalhães (Magillian) was Portuguese.
- We discovered Vera Cruz. Later baptized Brasil, due to the native wood.
- We have the oldest aliance in history, with England.
- It was with the defeat in Portugal, with the help of the English allies, that Napoleon´s european conquest was halted.
- We were the most advanced civilization in navigation and mapping during the Portuguese Conquests. Actually, Caravela (caravel) is a Portuguese term.
- Half of the fleet known as the Invencible Fleet, wich was destined to invade England, was made of Portuguese ships. These were used when Spain took control of our Crown during the 1580-1640 crisis. We lost the bulk of our fleet in that battle. Thanx Philip ...
- We have one of the oldest Universities in the World. The Coimbra University.
- We had the Moors kicked out of our territory, by the end of the XIII century. Spain only achieved that in 1492, if I´m not mistaken, with the conquest of Granada.

There are more historical facts that backup the ideia for a Portuguese inclusion in this game, but I think these are enough.
Portugal played a major role in the World, during the XV, XVI, and XVII century and I think it´s only fair to be included in the game. For Christ´s sake! If the Malinese are represented... No disrespect, but could someone tell me in what misterious way the Malinese Empire played a larger role than Portugal in the World, as we know it???

Nationalistic chest-thumping:

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by A Henriques
- We have the oldest aliance in history, with England.

And that's the only reason you still exist. You know Spain wants the rest of their peninsula.

[Chronus9]

And that's the only reason you still exist. You know Spain wants the rest of their peninsula.

Yeah . . . and I bet Portugal doesn't have as much copper as Arizona does.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by A Henriques
Fellow Companions:

I hereby DEMAND that the Portuguese people be represented in this game:

I hereby DEMAND a sandwich

[Axxaer]

I hereby DEMAND that the Portuguese people not be represented in this game

[LordShiva]

Off to the OT forum with all you threadjackers

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Off to the OT forum with all you threadjackers

Sorry...

[A Henriques]

Originally posted by Odin


Nationalistic chest-thumping:

Nationalistic chest-thumping my a..!!
What´s wrong with fundamenting my demand??
I think it´s only normal when making a demand, or a request that you explain the resasons for that.
And I only gave you a brief look into Portugal´s history, because I know most people don´t have a clue of the important role we played. They tend to look at the most recent parts in history, like from the late XVIII century on forth. Go figure out why...

Nationalistic??? Well, yes I do have pride in the history of my country. And that´s more most peolple can say about theirs. Your "underscript" says it all, right?! Is it still "We the people..."??
And I do think that it shows intelectual shortsightness to even conceive a game call Civilization and not throw in the Portuguese. I´ll never forgive Sid.

Nationalistic?? Perhaps... But it beats Imperialistic...

Best regards...

[A Henriques]

Originally posted by Axxaer


And that's the only reason you still exist. You know Spain wants the rest of their peninsula.

Eheh... I must admit... Perhaps we would be far better under Spanish rule. At least it would double our salarys and we´d pay less taxes.
Don´t get me wrong. I´m an Europeist. I am a citizen of the World before I´m a Portuguese. And I didn´t intend to go all Nationalistic on you. But I know that most people aren´t into the Portuguese history, and so I gave u a brief look to fundament my demand.

But well if you prefer the Malinese, or the African Pigmees, or the lost civilization of Atlantis... It´s a democracy, right?

Best regards...

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by A Henriques
Eheh... I must admit... Perhaps we would be far better under Spanish rule. At least it would double our salarys and we´d pay less taxes.
Don´t get me wrong. I´m an Europeist. I am a citizen of the World before I´m a Portuguese. And I didn´t intend to go all Nationalistic on you. But I know that most people aren´t into the Portuguese history, and so I gave u a brief look to fundament my demand.

But well if you prefer the Malinese, or the African Pigmees, or the lost civilization of Atlantis... It´s a democracy, right?

Best regards...

Don't mind me, I'm perfectly aware that my country also only exists due to strong ties with England/USA.

[A Henriques]

Originally posted by Axxaer


Don't mind me, I'm perfectly aware that my country also only exists due to strong ties with England/USA.

And what a beautifull country it is! Or so I´m told... Lot´s of sun, and great waves to surf... Hey! It´s kinda like Portugal in a huuuuuuge map!

Best Regards...

[LordShiva]

Awww, aren't they cute!