So how good is it really?

[Soren Johnson]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I tried that too, though it added another step.

I wish they'd brought back left click "go to."

using the right-click player option, the left-click goto works just like in Civ3...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Soren, you were beat to it .

[Dis]

I have mixed feelings of civ4. I'm still playing. I do feel it's better than civ3. It's even better than civ2, but I'm not likely to play it more than civ2.

There are definately things that bug me in this game. I still want to build massive armies and stomp the entire world (yes, even a huge map). I can't seem to do this.

[Arrian]

Dis,

Have you tried playing as Tokugawa? He's good at that.

-Arrian

[Solomwi]

Dis, just be sure to turn off diplomatic and spaceship victories. The AI loves the spaceship victory, and will basiaclly force you to play the launch game just to avoid losing out while you're off crushing somebody on the other continent. Diplomatic, otoh, isn't likely to shorten the game through an AI rushing toward it, but does make itself a nuisance when you have to keep control of the UN to make sure it doesn't do something you don't want it to. Population helps, but the only guarantee is choosing the resolutions yourself (my favorite is "None" ).

[Arrian]

Heh. I typically invoke no nukes, free trade & single currency and then stonewall.

I did try nukes once. It was kinda amusing (and did BAD things to the units in the city I nuked, although oddly resulted in NO fallout), but ultimately I'd rather just use conventional weapons.

-Arrian

[Dis]

Originally posted by Solomwi
Dis, just be sure to turn off diplomatic and spaceship victories. The AI loves the spaceship victory, and will basiaclly force you to play the launch game just to avoid losing out while you're off crushing somebody on the other continent. Diplomatic, otoh, isn't likely to shorten the game through an AI rushing toward it, but does make itself a nuisance when you have to keep control of the UN to make sure it doesn't do something you don't want it to. Population helps, but the only guarantee is choosing the resolutions yourself (my favorite is "None" ).

yeah, I love None. Screw the U.N.

[mikelazenby]

I stand corrected. It is a phenomenal game.

Does anybody here know someone who needs to buy a copy in good condition?

[Solomwi]

Originally posted by Arrian
Heh. I typically invoke no nukes, free trade & single currency and then stonewall.

-Arrian

That's usually my approach, too. My answer was a bit colored by my Tokugawa game that ended today. I built the UN, but Peter was second in population, and won the Secretary-Generalship over me two or three times. He pushed through those three, and all the forced civics except for Universal Suffrage and Environmentalism (both of which were brought up and failed). So when I finally took over after Hatshepsut overtook Peter in population, I was left with none.

[Willem]

Originally posted by mikelazenby
Does anybody here know someone who needs to buy a copy in good condition?

You should hang on to it until at least the first expansion. Things might change in way that you'll really like by then. It is pretty fresh on the market. Even Civ 3 had lots of problems and imbalances at first, but they eventually got ironed out. And people who didn't like it at first eventually did.

[MightyTiny]

Originally posted by Dis
I have mixed feelings of civ4. I'm still playing. I do feel it's better than civ3. It's even better than civ2, but I'm not likely to play it more than civ2.

There are definately things that bug me in this game. I still want to build massive armies and stomp the entire world (yes, even a huge map). I can't seem to do this.

What's stopping you?

There certainly isn't anything impossible about building massive armies and stomping the entire world. Though success does depend on learning new tactics and learning how to deal with the financial costs of conquest without going bankrupt or falling too much behind technologically.

What I like about Civ4 the most is that you DO have to learn to consider finances and diplomatic relations in order to be a successful conquerer. You really do learn new things constantly, and if you are having trouble, I recommend looking through these forums or googling for strategy tips for Civ4.

[EternalSpark]

The "high-end" players, however, would've been PISSED. You'd have seen a lot of "this is Civ3.1" and "they dumbed it down... AGAIN!" threads.

You're correct. Thing is, have you ever seen pandering to a die-hard computer game fanbase actually do anything good?

Any game out there, the more you listen to the die-hard fans, the weaker the game is for everyone else. Especially given the increasing mainstreaming of gaming.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by EternalSpark
You're correct. Thing is, have you ever seen pandering to a die-hard computer game fanbase actually do anything good?

Yeah, Civ4 .

At least if all the publications giving it "Game of the Year" awards were correct .

[Dis]

Originally posted by MightyTiny


What's stopping you?

There certainly isn't anything impossible about building massive armies and stomping the entire world. Though success does depend on learning new tactics and learning how to deal with the financial costs of conquest without going bankrupt or falling too much behind technologically.

What I like about Civ4 the most is that you DO have to learn to consider finances and diplomatic relations in order to be a successful conquerer. You really do learn new things constantly, and if you are having trouble, I recommend looking through these forums or googling for strategy tips for Civ4.

nothing was stopping me my last game. I was playing warlord level which is way too easy a level for me. But it was fun taking over the world and amassing over 31,000 points.

[fed1943]

"civ4 is the best and deepest game I´ve ever seen":
I tottaly agree.One can play game over game and each time have a new,and nice,experience.
I hope the devs keep on this way.
Best regards,