Problem with steel technology

[Nikolai]

On a related note, artillery is called a "great middle game siege weapon" or something.

[Hauptman]

Originally posted by Nikolai
On a related note, artillery is called a "great middle game siege weapon" or something.

they get replaced by bombers late game.

[Nikolai]

Yeah, I know, but a middle game weapon? They don't come into play before pretty late in the tech tree, somewhere after the industrialization.

[Dis]

weren't cannons made out of iron. There's a difference between iron and steel.

simply put. cannons come way too late. And for that matter military tradition comes way to early.

[Dis]

Originally posted by RedSox7
Strength=5 to Strength=12 is too big a jump. Bring back the Trebuchet! Kind of strange to go from 5 artillery units in civ3 to only 3 in this edition. We could bring back the old MLRS also.

I have a feeling they are coming in an expansion pack. . Yeah it's annoying to have to buy an expansion pack to get the units that should be in the regular game. But then how could they justify selling 1 or 2 expansion packs?

[kseecs16]

Originally posted by Dis
weren't cannons made out of iron. There's a difference between iron and steel.

simply put. cannons come way too late. And for that matter military tradition comes way to early.

they were made out of Bronze, prior to steel - but yes they do come too late.

[MasterDave]

Originally posted by Dis


I have a feeling they are coming in an expansion pack. . Yeah it's annoying to have to buy an expansion pack to get the units that should be in the regular game. But then how could they justify selling 1 or 2 expansion packs?

If we're buying em, they will be selling em How many versions of Civ3 are there? Civ 3, Civ 3 PTW, Civ 3 Conquests, Civ 3 Gold.... Various intermediate patches, did I forget anything? There were even more expansions and scenario packs on Civ2 IIRC.

[joncnunn]

That is indeeed the most glaring gap.

The second most glaring is that the Calvary adviable there is too early, something only requiring Military Tradition & Gunpowder should be Dragoons, maybe a rating of 12 with a bonus against catapults.

15 strength Calvary should require Rifing + Military Tradition.

Originally posted by Badtz Maru
I think there should be something between Catapults and Cannon - maybe a 'Bombard' unit that's made available with the discovery of Gunpowder. After all, for a long time cannon were made with bronze.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by joncnunn
The second most glaring is that the Calvary adviable there is too early, something only requiring Military Tradition & Gunpowder should be Dragoons, maybe a rating of 12 with a bonus against catapults.

Cavalry did not exactly rely on accurate firepower. Instead, they rely on shock value (that's why they should have a hefty penalty against fortifications). Indeed, AFAIK, the Cossacks had appeared before rifling came on the scene.