Great People name lists are too short

[John-SJ]

Originally posted by Dis
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P.S. and I still think Jenna Jameson should be a great artist. I'm going to mod that in my game. The tough part is coming up with appropiate graphics for that.

Possibly. But at least the web offers many thousands of websites that could be perused for source material.

[inca911]

I'm likely a minority, but I'm ok with "Great Scientist"..

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by CarnalCanaan
Jesus of Nazareth

Wouldn't happen; it would offend Christians who believe he's not a prophet but savior.

[djpsychonaut]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Wouldn't happen; it would offend Christians who believe he's not a prophet but savior.

Let me take another look at that list, there might be something that offends me too!

[Kuciwalker]

I'm not offended. It's just that Firaxis is deliberately staying far away from the line on religion.

[djpsychonaut]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I'm not offended. It's just that Firaxis is deliberately staying far away from the line on religion.

Kuciwalker, just making fun of the fact that everyone is getting so touchy about certain leaders. Wasn't suggesting that you were offended...

Just poking fun.

No offense...

[Diadem]

Of all the female scientists mentioned so far there's only one who's name deserves mentioning. That one is Marie Curie, of course.

There are of course other female scientists. But none of them are top grade material. If you compose a top100 or even a top200 there's simply only one female on it. Like it or dislike it, but it's a fact. If the game wants to follow historical names it should do so accurately. They shouldn't get fanciful with names for the sake of political correctness.

On a sidenote, having Aleister Crowley and Anton LaVey as Great Prophets would be fun

[Bluefusion]

Has anyone mentioned Nostradamus? There's a "great" prophet.

And don't forget his Chapelle show equivalent: Negrodamus.

Getting back to the lack of female names: it's a sad reflection of the androcentric [Look it up boys] society in which we still live. Men have discovered more things than women, but that is because social institutions repressed women and traditionally confined them to such mind-stimulating, intellectually challenging subjects such as sewing, etiquette, housewifery, and childraising.

Even then, many inventions were credited to men when in all actuality, their wives created them. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, at one point in the United States a woman could not file for a patent. She had to give the credit to her husband for the invention, and then the work could be patented...

Edit: Referring to Jesus Christ... He WAS a prophet. Even if you're a Christian, like myself, who views him as a savior, he prophesied many things. Being a prophet and the singular savior of mankind are not mutually exclusive occupations...

[Dis]

Originally posted by Diadem
Of all the female scientists mentioned so far there's only one who's name deserves mentioning. That one is Marie Curie, of course.

There are of course other female scientists. But none of them are top grade material. If you compose a top100 or even a top200 there's simply only one female on it. Like it or dislike it, but it's a fact. If the game wants to follow historical names it should do so accurately. They shouldn't get fanciful with names for the sake of political correctness.

On a sidenote, having Aleister Crowley and Anton LaVey as Great Prophets would be fun

Marie Curie is in the game.

What about the chick who discovered DNA? That's a pretty significant find. Though she didn't actually get full credit, and 2 men won the nobel prize instead of her.

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by Dis


Marie Curie is in the game.

What about the chick who discovered DNA? That's a pretty significant find. Though she didn't actually get full credit, and 2 men won the nobel prize instead of her.

She didn't actually discover DNA. (Neither did Crick and Watson for that matter, it was the molecular structure that they discovered). And in anycase, she's in the list. And it was 3 men who won the Nobel prize. And they didn't get the prize instead of her - she wasn't elligable because she had died. (Excluding dead people must be a nasty male chauvinist trick.) And by the way, her name was Rosalind Franklin. [/RANT]

RJM at Sleeper's

[Dis]

Originally posted by rjmatsleepers


She didn't actually discover DNA. (Neither did Crick and Watson for that matter, it was the molecular structure that they discovered). And in anycase, she's in the list. And it was 3 men who won the Nobel prize. And they didn't get the prize instead of her - she wasn't elligable because she had died. (Excluding dead people must be a nasty male chauvinist trick.) And by the way, her name was Rosalind Franklin. [/RANT]

RJM at Sleeper's

ahh, okay thanks for the details. I remember reading an article in Discover magazine about her. But it's been a long time, couldn't remember the details.

[rjmatsleepers]

Originally posted by Dis


ahh, okay thanks for the details. I remember reading an article in Discover magazine about her. But it's been a long time, couldn't remember the details.

If you are interested, there is a very good book about her - "The Dark Lady of DNA". The picture of her that you get from "The Double Helix" is very one-sided. I believe Watson became good friends with her later. All that having been said, reading between the lines I suspect she was not an easy person to work with.

RJM at Sleeper's

[djpsychonaut]

Originally posted by rjmatsleepers
I suspect she was not an easy person to work with.

What scientist is?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Son of David
Yawn.

Yes, your posts do have a soporific effect.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Diadem
Of all the female scientists mentioned so far there's only one who's name deserves mentioning. That one is Marie Curie, of course.

There are of course other female scientists. But none of them are top grade material.

Ada Byron and Lise Meitner disagree.... as do Maria Agnesi and many others.

Given the kind of difficulties women routinely faced even to study science, let alone work in the field, it's a wonder there are any notable women scientists.

Meitner had to put up with this kind of treatment:

In 1945, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry to Otto Hahn for the discovery of nuclear fission, overlooking the physicist Lise Meitner, who collaborated with him in the discovery and gave the first theoretical explanation of the fission process.

After the Anschluss (German annexation of Austria in March 1938), Lise Meitner had to emigrate. In the summer of 1938, she went to Manne Siegbahn's institute in Stockholm. As Sime writes, "Neither asked to join Siegbahn's group nor given the resources to form her own, she had laboratory space but no collaborators, equipment, or technical support, not even her own set of keys..."‡ She corresponded with Hahn as he and Strassmann tried to identify their "transuranes."

On November 13, 1938, Hahn met secretly with Meitner in Copenhagen. At her suggestion, Hahn and Strassmann performed further tests on a uranium product they thought was radium. When they found that it was in fact barium, they published their results in Naturwissenschaften (January 6, 1939). Simultaneously, Meitner and Frisch explained (and named) nuclear fission, using Bohr's "liquid drop" model of the nucleus; their paper appeared in Nature (February 11, 1939). The proof of fission required Meitner's and Frisch's physical insight as much as the chemical findings of Hahn and Strassmann.

http://www.sdsc.edu/ScienceWomen/meitner.html

And surprise !

Later Hahn rationalized her exclusion and others buried her role ever deeper.

Yes, acknowledging her contribution might have made his penis fall off, obviously...