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  • #16
    Frida Kahlo would make a good Great Artist...
    "The first casualty in war is truth."
    ~Aeschylus

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    • #17
      General Idea originally posted by Twelvefield
      Wow omg nurses are so cool. They are teh sh!t!!!!111oneone
      Do you realise that the point being made was that most nurses aren't GREAT scientists in the same way real scientists are. Also I doubt that a 'Master's Degree in Nursing Science' has been around all that long.

      General Idea originally posted by Twelvefield
      I'm insulted

      I might find it offensive that you are trying to discredit the great work of female scientists by claiming nurses are scientists.
      "You are one of the cheerleaders for this wasting of time and the wasting of lives. Do you feel any remorse for having contributed to this "culture of death?" Of course not. Hey, let's all play MORE games, and ignore all the really productive things to do with our lives.
      Let's pretend to be shocked that a gamer might descend into deeper depression, as his gamer "buds," knowing he was killing himself, couldn't figure out how to call 911 themselves for him. That would have involved leaving their computers I guess."


      - Jack Thompson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Twelvefield
        I find it difficult to go a day anymore without either insulting someone mortally on the Internet, or having the same done to me.

        Just what do you think happens in a hospital when people look after you? Do you think the doctors just come up with how to operate the beds and equipment? Do you think the administrators understand how to administer medications? Just what the hell do you think nurses are for, in a hospital? To hold your stinking hand while you get that much-needed hemorrhoidectomy?

        If you knew what nurses do in health care, from your birth to your death, then I think you'd treat them with more respect, friends. If you right now don't owe your very life to a nurse, then I guarantee that you know someone who does, and if even that isn't the case, then come back in a year and tell me that some nurse somewhere hasn't had a positive effect in your life.

        And let's add to this that my wife happens to have her Masters' degree in Nursing Science. It's not like the nurses all wail and dance around the bonfire awaiting for divine vision on where the rectal thermometer is supposed to go -- everything that you see in your hospitals, your outpatient clinics, your emergency triages, your old-age homes, your doctor's office: all of that has been tried, tested and used in the most scientific matter by, you guessed it, NURSES!

        In the dim hope that maybe someone from the Internet world might actually learn something, I am providing links to universities that provide degree programs in nursing science -- maybe one of you will become a PhD in Nursing



        This annoys me. Many men seem to think that condescension towards women is somehow moral or virtuous.

        We get all this sentimental slush about nurses - how about some for our soldiers too? After all, haven't they killed and maimed and been killed and maimed to provide us with 'freedom and democracy'? Therefore, let's put Great Soldiers into the game.

        Truth be told, woman's achievements have never even approximated man's in the realm of literature and science. That doesn't mean I disagree with female names in the Great People lists, what it DOES mean is that I don't want my favourite game spoiled with sentimental slush and political correctness.

        Civ is a means of escaping the stupidity of real life to some extent (certainly for me) - I don't want that stupidity filtering through into the game as well.

        There are plenty of women's-only organizations and groups that tend exclusively to the needs of women - but where in the world these days can men get together and be men any more, without women coming in and weaving their Satanic manipulation on men's minds? (Cf. the Book of Genesis.)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Twelvefield
          a bunch of random offtopic crap
          Face it. No one cares. OMFG THEY DO STUFF FOR US. So do farmers, so do electricians, so do the people who drive trucks to bring food to the store. NO ONE CARES. Deal.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Son of David
            We get all this sentimental slush about nurses - how about some for our soldiers too? After all, haven't they killed and maimed and been killed and maimed to provide us with 'freedom and democracy'? Therefore, let's put Great Soldiers into the game.
            That's a damn good idea. Military Great People.
            Problem is, how will you balance the Military specialist out, when a Barracks lets you have a specialist, but you still want great leaders all the way past the Pentagon?

            Civ is a means of escaping the stupidity of real life to some extent (certainly for me) - I don't want that stupidity filtering through into the game as well.
            And now you use the forums.
            Well done, Ace.

            There are plenty of women's-only organizations and groups that tend exclusively to the needs of women - but where in the world these days can men get together and be men any more, without women coming in and weaving their Satanic manipulation on men's minds? (Cf. the Book of Genesis.)
            Anywhere you make a men's only organisation, it will exist. There are no laws against it and nobody will care enough to stop you, at least not in Australia.

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            • #21
              Couldn't be bothered to read all the arguing, sorry. But in case no-one said so above, Marie Curie is actually on the list already, she appeared in one of my games. So there is at least 1 woman.
              I agree that the lists definately need to be made longer.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by pupfiction
                Couldn't be bothered to read all the arguing, sorry. But in case no-one said so above, Marie Curie is actually on the list already, she appeared in one of my games. So there is at least 1 woman.
                I agree that the lists definately need to be made longer.
                I skipped over the arguing too. Marie Curie has shown up in my games as well, but I think that I've actually seen certain names actually repeat in some games I've played.
                "Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." - Sun Tzu

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Son of David




                  Really? Name some.

                  'Er, I can't think of any - but there must be some. Surely there must! Er, still can't think of any.'


                  Rosalind Franklin- her part in the Crick/Watson DNA discoveries has often been criminally overlooked:


                  Because the Nobel Prize can be awarded only to the living, Wilkins's colleague Rosalind Franklin (1920–1958), who died of cancer at the age of 37, could not be honored. Of the four DNA researchers only Rosalind Franklin had any degrees in chemistry. The daughter of a prominent London banking family, where all children—girls and boys—were encouraged to develop their individual aptitudes, she held her undergraduate and graduate degrees from Cambridge University. During World War II she gave up her research scholarship to contribute to the war effort at the British Coal Utilization Research Association, where she performed fundamental investigations on the properties of coal and graphite. After the war she joined the Laboratoire Centrale des Services Chimiques de l'Etat in Paris, where she was introduced to the technique of X-ray crystallography and rapidly became a respected authority in this field. In 1951 she returned to England to King's College, London, where her charge was to upgrade the X-ray crystallographic laboratory there for work with DNA.
                  At King’s College London, Rosalind Franklin obtained images of DNA using X-ray crystallography, an idea first broached by Maurice Wilkins. Franklin’s images allowed James Watson and Francis Crick to create their famous two-strand, or double-helix, model. In 1962 Watson (b. 1928), Crick (1916–2004), and Wilkins (1916–2004) jointly received the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their 1953 determination of the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Wilkins’s colleague Franklin (1920–1958), who died from cancer at the age of 37, was not so honored.


                  Answers is the place to go to get the answers you need and to ask the questions you want



                  Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin:

                  The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 1964
                  "for her determinations by X-ray techniques of the structures of important biochemical substances"



                  Carolina Lucretia Herschel- yes, William Herschel's less well-known sister, who made discoveries herself.

                  Not a clear night would pass without William sweeping the sky and Caroline recording his observations. William once commented that Caroline had a way with numbers, and he felt comfortable letting Caroline finalize the observations during the day. She also planned each night's observing schedule. Herschel found the first object of his catalog of nebulae and clusters of stars on 1782 September 7.

                  Eager to improve their chances of discovering even more objects, William and Caroline completed the building of a reflector with an aperture of 18.7-inches in 1783 and finally put it to use in October. Prior to that month, William had managed to find a few objects using a small Newtonian sweeper with a focal length of 27-inches.


                  Abbess Hildegard of Bingen, physician, diplomat, artist and composer :

                  The astonishing career of the multi-talented Hildegard of Bingen is quite unlike that of any other woman of her time. As the tenth child of a noble family, she was given to the Church as a tithe, and placed in the convent of Disibodenburg in the Nahe valley at the age of 8, becoming abbess in 1136. She went on to found two convents of her own - the Rupertsberg above Bingen in 1150 and Eibingen on the outskirts of Rüdesheim in 1165 - and is the only medieval woman who is known to have undertaken preaching tours, addressing clergy as well as laity. Between 1141 and 1151 she wrote her literary masterpiece Scivias , visionary descriptions of the world and the relationship between God and mankind. She also produced a two-volume tract on natural sciences and the art of healing. Yet it is arguable that her most lasting achievement was as a composer. Her legacy consists of the music drama Ordo Virtutum , the earliest-known morality play, plus 77 canticles, sequences and songs, in which she deploys a variety of devices, ranging from simple melodies to impassioned declamation, to enrich the vivid imagery of her own poetry.


                  And even actress Hedy Lamarr, believe it or not.
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                  Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                  ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                  • #24
                    Yawn.

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                    • #25
                      Son of David:
                      Really? Name some.
                      (dozens of names are mentioned)
                      Son of David:
                      Yawn.

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                      • #26
                        Wow. Can I get an official title or something? I don't think a single one of my threads have EVER stayed on topic for longer than a page.

                        Why do I find this so emotionally fulfilling?
                        "The human race would have perished long ago if its preservation had depended only on the reasoning of its members." - Rousseau
                        "Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!" - Erich Honecker
                        "If one has good arms, one will always have good friends." - Machiavelli

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                        • #27
                          I do think we can do better in finding women GPs.

                          How about:
                          - Jane Addams - great American social activist in the 19th century (not sure what type of GP)
                          - Louisa May Alcott - an American novelist (Great Artist)
                          - Harriet Beecher Stowe - author of Uncle Tom's cabin, a very influential novel that changed how many people viewed slavery (Great Artist)
                          - Mae West - first to earn a million dollars in the movie business (Great Artist)

                          Of course most of them are of the modern era, let's try for some earlier ones:

                          - Yeshe Tsogyal - guru, known as the "mother of Tibetan Buddhism" (Great Prophet)
                          - Merit Ptah (think she's already in the game) - she was an ancient Egyptian priest and physician
                          - Si Ling Chi - ancient Chinese empress, she invented silk (Great Scientist/Engineer?)
                          - Shi Dun - another ancient Chinese empress, she helped to invent paper (Great Scientist/Engineer?)
                          - Maritrayee - she appears in ancient Sanskrit texts as a natural philosopher (Great Scientist)
                          - Lasthenia - a natural philosopher mentioned by Plato (Great Scientist)
                          - Ada Byron Lovelace - was involved with pioneering a device that would later be seen as an early computer (Great Engineer)

                          There's a few...
                          "Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." - Sun Tzu

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by djpsychonaut
                            - Harriet Beecher Stowe - author of Uncle Tom's cabin, a very influential novel that changed how many people viewed slavery (Great Artist)
                            - Mae West - first to earn a million dollars in the movie business (Great Artist)


                            Oh my God, you excelled yourself.

                            Pass me the bucket.

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                            • #29
                              Tifa, Yuffie, and Aeris too
                              ~I like eggs.~

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pupfiction
                                Couldn't be bothered to read all the arguing, sorry. But in case no-one said so above, Marie Curie is actually on the list already, she appeared in one of my games. So there is at least 1 woman.
                                I agree that the lists definately need to be made longer.
                                I think Rosie Franklin (the dark lady of DNA) is also on the list.

                                Perhaps someone could compile a list of additional names in each category.

                                RJM at Sleeper's
                                Fill me with the old familiar juice

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