Another frivolous thread

[Tattila the Hun]

Jefferson Davis.

And Urho Kekkonen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkonen

I'm not sure about this, but I'm thinking he could be the longest serving democratically elected president with 25 years in office...

[Dis]

Originally posted by Leuenberg


First I though "What a Troll", but all in all civ has conspicuously used Mao as the Chinese leader, which to my opinion is as disgusting as if they had choosen Hitler for the Germans or Stalin for the Russians

yeah I don't see them doing either one for politically correct reasons.

But yet both are major leaders during major wars. But Stalin wasn't a very good leader. It would make more sense to have Lenin. As for Hitler, you could argue he doesn't represent Germany's values throughout their long history. Just a brief period of facism.

[Imminence]

Originally posted by Dis

As for Hitler, you could argue he doesn't represent Germany's values throughout their long history. Just a brief period of facism.

But then there would have been the need to make a special German edition, because it's against our laws, to show or use anything of the so called "3rd Reich". This includes of course every representant of that criminal regime.

BTW, in former CIVs the Russians had Stalin. I guess, Firaxis decided against him, because nowadays he is considered a criminal as well.

[polarnomad]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
And Urho Kekkonen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkonen

I'm not sure about this, but I'm thinking he could be the longest serving democratically elected president with 25 years in office...

While that might be a good idea, it presupposes that Finland be added as a civilization... Don't get me wrong, I think Finland is a great place, but I don't really feel like it qualifies as a candidate for this game.

Unless of course some liberties were taken... Add the vikings back in and have Kekkonen as their leader!

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by nbarclay


The use of Lincoln as the leader of America in Civ 3 presents an interesting paradox because Lincoln's sole claim to "greatness" was leadership in a war against fellow Americans. Lincoln did not help to build America, or lead it in defense against an external foe. Rather, he fought a long, bloody, economically devatating war for the principle that the Union could be kept together by force rather than by finding the compromises needed to ensure that it would truly work for the common good of all of the states.

Enough good came out of the war, especially regarding putting an end to the evils of slavery, that many people regard Lincoln as great. But portraying Lincoln as the leader of the American civilization when most of his leadership consisted of fighting fellow Americans, and when he never at any time led an America in which all of the states participated in the manner set forth by the Constitution, seems a bit odd. Lincoln was not the leader of the American civilization, but rather was the leader of one faction of the American civilization against another.

Nathan

Spoken like a true southerner

I suppose Bobby Lee was one of the greatest American Generals of all time?

This is spoken in jest with a smile on my face. Not intended as a troll.

BTW I voted other, for Jan Sobieski

[phlucas]

Originally posted by Imminence

But then there would have been the need to make a special German edition, because it's against our laws, to show or use anything of the so called "3rd Reich". This includes of course every representant of that criminal regime.

That's a bit too blunt, but Hitler as a leader would probably not be allowed. If you look at the XML files, you see that the German edition does not even mention Hitler in the text about Fascism and Mass Media (in contrast to the other languages), and also attributes the quote for fascism to a generic "deutscher Diktator".

[Adagio]

I want Cleopatra back, even though she wasn't born in Egypt IIRC


And Lincoln

[Dis]

Originally posted by Imminence


But then there would have been the need to make a special German edition, because it's against our laws, to show or use anything of the so called "3rd Reich". This includes of course every representant of that criminal regime.

BTW, in former CIVs the Russians had Stalin. I guess, Firaxis decided against him, because nowadays he is considered a criminal as well.

you do know that in the desert war scenario Rommel is listed as the german leader.

[Dis]

Originally posted by phlucas


That's a bit too blunt, but Hitler as a leader would probably not be allowed. If you look at the XML files, you see that the German edition does not even mention Hitler in the text about Fascism and Mass Media (in contrast to the other languages), and also attributes the quote for fascism to a generic "deutscher Diktator".

I just have to laugh at german censorship.

[Supercilious]

On the subject of lincoln...

The south will rise again.

EDIT: Quayle is a rank, WHY NOT A LEADER?

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by conmcb25


Spoken like a true southerner

Actually, my mother is from Pennsylvania, and I grew up mostly viewing the North as the "good guys" in the Civil War because the war ended slavery. It wasn't until I was an adult that it occurred to me that in a lot of wars, there is no right side but merely two wrong sides that are fighting because neither had sufficient interest in pursuing a reasonable compromise. Now I simply view the Civil War as a terrible tragedy - which, in turn, makes it hard for me to view the political leaders on either side of the mess as great. Truly great leaders would have tried a lot harder to find a peaceful, reasonably amicable solution.

[Dis]

the only peaceful solution would have been to let the south keep their independence.

[Datajack Franit]

Xerxes was a curse to his own country

[Son of David]

Originally posted by Dis

As for Hitler, you could argue he doesn't represent Germany's values throughout their long history. Just a brief period of facism.

LOL.

Hitler was the ultimate culmination of about 400 years of German anti-Semitism beginning with Martin Luther in the early 1500s/late 1400s.

Throughout the whole of the 19th century Germany produced an absolute plethora of mainstream anti-Semites.

Some people, including the great (truly great) philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche have said that the Germans have a personality predisposed towards obedience to 'great leaders'.

[Imminence]

Originally posted by Dis


you do know that in the desert war scenario Rommel is listed as the german leader.

Well, Rommel was not a political leader. Actually he had his part, when the people around Stauffenberg tried, to kill Hitler in 1944.


DIS wrote: "I just have to laugh at german censorship."

Some might find the censorship in my country ridiculous. So be it. For most (about 98%) of us Germans it is ok as it is.

BTW, I know about a game, which was developped in 1996. It was a good strategy game in a medieval fantasy environment. Compared to nowadays, the grafics were of course poor.
But there was a tribe, called the "ice witches". With a lot of imagination one could see the sprites riding topless on their icebears. Just because of some pixels, which *might* be bare breasts, the developpers had to create an extra version for the USA, in which the ice witches had fur-bras.

So, tell us about weird censorship