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Instead of heroes there should be a military leaders included, they would belong into GP category and would represent famous mil. leaders such as Alexander, Caesar, Cyrus, Mari, Henry, Wellington, G. Adolf,...(I know that some of them are already leaders of their civs., but that deosn't really matters). They wouldn't be able to fight on their own, they would only work when attached to a unit or a stack, where they would give small bonuses (such as +10% to city raiding (for certain troop type), +1 movement point to certain troop type, +10% strenght to cavalry, heavy inf. or spearman). They would certainly add some flavour to the game and would force players toward more aggressive style of play as they would probably try to use them or risk losing them (mil. leaders would only last for, say 10-20 turns).
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Or possibly they could be merged into the city like other GP and they could give an immediate bonus to any units created in the city?Comment
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I found this Article which does say talk about cultural and the previous wealth of Argentina.
Two forces combined to create the modern Argentine nation in the late [[19th century]]: the introduction of modern agricultural techniques and integration of Argentina into the world economy. [[Foreign investment]] and [[immigration]] from Europe aided this economic revolution. Investment, primarily [[United Kingdom|British]], came in such fields as [[railroad]]s and ports, but the foreign owners expected to retain controls. The migrants who worked to develop Argentina's resources (especially the western pampas) came from throughout Europe, just as in the [[United States]]. Argentina quickly became the the second richest country in the world. This would last from 1870 to 1940's.
Your source seems a little weak no offense it does not seem to be an offical source.
PS if you dont want to be flamed by others lol look up your sources BEFORE you talk nonsense you do not know. It just makes you look bad no offense.Last edited by Bolobob; November 16, 2005, 08:41.Comment
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Originally posted by Bolobob
I found this Article which does say talk about cultural and the previous wealth of Argentina.
Two forces combined to create the modern Argentine nation in the late [[19th century]]: the introduction of modern agricultural techniques and integration of Argentina into the world economy. [[Foreign investment]] and [[immigration]] from Europe aided this economic revolution. Investment, primarily [[United Kingdom|British]], came in such fields as [[railroad]]s and ports, but the foreign owners expected to retain controls. The migrants who worked to develop Argentina's resources (especially the western pampas) came from throughout Europe, just as in the [[United States]]. Argentina quickly became the the second richest country in the world. This would last from 1870 to 1940's.
Your source seems a little weak no offense it does not seem to be an offical source.
PS if you dont want to be flamed by others lol look up your sources BEFORE you talk nonsense you do not know. It just makes you look bad no offense.
ERm right... thats a new thing ive learnt today - its ok to flame someone if there sources are iffy...
damn thats good to know!
of course it bloody well isnt - thats one of the most stupid things ive ever heard someone say.
Wikpedia WAS one of my sources - and lets be honest here - if it cant aggree with itself - then its not much of a source. Also Wikpedia can be editted by ANYONE - you could have just written that bit in.
My other source was the abstract from a BOOK written about the economic history of Argentina which you can go to amazon and buy if you want to - you cant get much more 'offical' than that.
Stop making arrogant comments and start using your brain before insulting me - you can go and hide under the same bridge with you trolling friend.Comment
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lol great troll about Argentina there.
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Ok and if you want more proof:
JOHN H. COATSWORTH and ALAN M. TAYLOR (eds.): Latin America and the World Economy since 1800. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University, David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies, 1998.
José C. Moya
University of California, Los Angeles
This even says that Cuba had more money than argentina! and then goes onto explain that its due to the way the money was calculated that makes it APPEAR to be greater.Argentina's per capita GDP was slightly higher than that of the U.S. in 1800, and Cuba's was significantly higher until the 1830s. The calculation of Argentine GDP may be overestimated, because it includes all the silver sent from Bolivia to Buenos Aires as payments for Argentine exports of cloth, mules, food, etc. These exports actually originated in Salta and the northwest rather than in Buenos Aires, and most of the Potosí silver going to that city was simply on its way to Europe. In the case of Cuba, too, one has to wonder how much of its high productivity simply rested on the hyper-exploitation of slaves. How would Haiti, which after all was one of the richest colonies in the world in the 18th century, have ranked in this measure? Nonetheless, Coastworth does prove that the River Plate and Cuba were the most affluent regions in Latin America during the 19th century and that --not coincidentally-- they also had the highest exports per capita (which confutes dependency arguments) and the highest cost of labor.
and again:
having a higher GDP per capita does NOT make you a richer country - luxembourgs GDP per captia is higher than america - but america is by far the richer country.International Scholar's Essay
By the mid 1880s, Argentine GDP per capita had almost reached United States' figures. From then to 1930, magnitude of growth was so important that scholars interested in the Argentine case focused on the leading activities of this phenomenon: cattle trade and agriculture. Thus, outstanding success of the vacas y trigo [cows and wheat] exportation-based economy diverted economists and historians' attention away from issues related to technology. After the crisis of 1930, progressive growth of industry within national economy encouraged publication of works that discussed some technological issues: Adolfo Dorfman's Historia de la Industria Argentina [History of the Argentine Industry] (1942) and Evolución industrial argentina [Argentine industrial evolution] (1942); and Guillermo Furlong S. J.'s Artesanos argentinos durante la dominación hispánica [Argentine artisans during the Spanish rule] (1946).
But still according to this argentina did not surpase america in either GDP or general wealth.
Can I stop proving you wrong now?Last edited by Maidel; November 16, 2005, 09:36.Comment
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The thought had crossed my mindOriginally posted by Unspeakable Horror
XGustaX = Bolobob!
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Oh and another thing - just a final point to emphasise my previous points - if GDP per capita makes you a richer country which country is the richest in the world?
Luxemborg or the USA
if you want to know go here
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I kinda miss the Great Military Leaders that spawned of victorious Elites in Civ 3 - it'd be nice to have them back. They could be used like other Great People indeed: trigger golden age; discover new 'warlike' tech; settle as a specialist for some culture, little gold, [and a permanent +2 XP to all units created there]; and either build a 'Military Academy' that'd give +Y XP to all newly created units, or spawn two/three raw-recruit level of the current basic infantry unit for the civ.
Regarding Argentina: it's a great country, but it's not a great civilization. Argentina hasn't flooded the world with its scientists, artists or military leaders - it's had its share of them, yes, but nowhere near the point of the other "surviving" (as of today) civs.
The Incas and Aztecs WERE important Civs. They were strong and culturally disctinctive. They simply lost when they encountered other civs.
You, XGustaX, are confusing Civilization and Nation. I understand your pride in your country, and why the fact that the US is included as a Civ when it's so recent in creation can be vaguely irritating. But the US ARE a Civ. I'm French, I live in Ireland, travelled to Mexico, Honk-Kong and Australia, as well as Europe. And everywhere I found Coca-cola, Mc Donald and US music and shows and films. If this isn't a cultural victory...
On the other hand, I can't recall ever drinking, eating, or buying Argentinian, even though I love Jorge Guillermo Borges and Tango music.
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nope... it's all a modern luxury resource. the US just happened to discover both the broadway and the hollywood world wonderOriginally posted by Luinsar
[...] I found Coca-cola, Mc Donald and US music and shows and films. If this isn't a cultural victory...
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Cheers for the entertainment guys, been ages since I read a good flame engagement... not quite a war, if you want one of those, look no further than :
For those who don't know, that site chronicles a truly world-class flamewar that raged for 5 years, 1996 to 2001.
If you look at it from a distance, it was trully civ-like in scale. It was crossposted many times, spilling over borders into neutral forums and discussion groups who then frantically tried and failed to throw up defenses.Comment
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Originally posted by Luinsar
I kinda miss the Great Military Leaders that spawned of victorious Elites in Civ 3 - it'd be nice to have them back. They could be used like other Great People indeed: trigger golden age; discover new 'warlike' tech; settle as a specialist for some culture, little gold, [and a permanent +2 XP to all units created there]; and either build a 'Military Academy' that'd give +Y XP to all newly created units, or spawn two/three raw-recruit level of the current basic infantry unit for the civ.
Regarding Argentina: it's a great country, but it's not a great civilization. Argentina hasn't flooded the world with its scientists, artists or military leaders - it's had its share of them, yes, but nowhere near the point of the other "surviving" (as of today) civs.
The Incas and Aztecs WERE important Civs. They were strong and culturally disctinctive. They simply lost when they encountered other civs.
You, XGustaX, are confusing Civilization and Nation. I understand your pride in your country, and why the fact that the US is included as a Civ when it's so recent in creation can be vaguely irritating. But the US ARE a Civ. I'm French, I live in Ireland, travelled to Mexico, Honk-Kong and Australia, as well as Europe. And everywhere I found Coca-cola, Mc Donald and US music and shows and films. If this isn't a cultural victory...
On the other hand, I can't recall ever drinking, eating, or buying Argentinian, even though I love Jorge Guillermo Borges and Tango music.
Thank you! You know what this guy is has porabably made the smartest counter argument ive seen from any of you. Your right then i really never thought of it like that. You are good. Oh i'm not from Argentina I just visted the country and feel in love lol as they say. But your right.Comment
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Originally posted by Maidel
Ok and if you want more proof:
JOHN H. COATSWORTH and ALAN M. TAYLOR (eds.): Latin America and the World Economy since 1800. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University, David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies, 1998.
José C. Moya
University of California, Los Angeles
This even says that Cuba had more money than argentina! and then goes onto explain that its due to the way the money was calculated that makes it APPEAR to be greater.
and again:
having a higher GDP per capita does NOT make you a richer country - luxembourgs GDP per captia is higher than america - but america is by far the richer country.
But still according to this argentina did not surpase america in either GDP or general wealth.
Can I stop proving you wrong now?
lets look at creditable NAMEABLE SOURCES as you seem to only like those skechy blank no name pages. please do us all a favor?Comment
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Argentina... let's see...that's in South America, right? Where all the nazis fled to?
just kidding...
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