i feel like im taking CRAZY pills

[Datajack Franit]

face fact #1 and #2

1- AI has ridiculous advantages and definitely cheats
2- attacking a city without catapults is a

[dearmad]

MG is siege unit? I'll have to fix that in my mod.

[gdijedi7]

Maybe this Cavalry unit imployed tactics, (unseen to the strategic commander) and had a small group of cavalrymen demonstrate in front of the gunners and had the rest of the group flank the guns, and by the time they had the guns turned all the way around, they were dead.

[your_mom]

Originally posted by Sloth_DC


Why? Initial gunpowder infantry units were *weaker* than their non-gunpowder equivalents. Their utility came from the fact that it was easier and cheaper to train a musketman than a longbowman - but in a fair fight with equal numbers, the longbowmen would've wiped the floor with the musketmen. If you really want to "fix" the gunpowder units, make them cheaper.

Not true, the spanish only sent like 250 gunpowder units into the new world, and conquried millions of archer natives. Its easyer to shoot a gun then it is to shoot an arrow, and gunpowder is much stronger.

[ElConejo]

Your_mom: *chuckles at clever name*....

Your right to say that and your point is less factual, but early gunpowder units actually had a great disadvantage against archers: for one the original guns would break under unfavorable conditions, and two the archers could fire a ton of arrows in the time it took a gunman to reload his musket. Just had to point that out.

[Kc7mxo]

Your right to say that and your point is less factual, but early gunpowder units actually had a great disadvantage against archers: for one the original guns would break under unfavorable conditions, and two the archers could fire a ton of arrows in the time it took a gunman to reload his musket. Just had to point that out.

which was balanced by the extreme ease of recruiting musketeers vs recruiting archers. Training a longbowmen requires a lifetime of practice.

Training a musketman requires about half an hour. Training a good one might take longer, but mostly its getting them to do as they're told and not run away. Firing the gun? No sweat.

Personally, I think there should be very low cost of upgrades to get units from ancient/medieval to musketeers. Or at least make them a cheap unit.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo
Personally, I think there should be very low cost of upgrades to get units from ancient/medieval to musketeers. Or at least make them a cheap unit.

You may cause other game balancing problems with that.

[GreenReaper]

Originally posted by your_mom

Not true, the spanish only sent like 250 gunpowder units into the new world, and conquried millions of archer natives. Its easyer to shoot a gun then it is to shoot an arrow, and gunpowder is much stronger.

thats not the point either. on paper, a skilled archer is a much better asset than a guy with a musket. in real life, the skilled archers thought that these people were gods and the racket from the boomsticks scared the sh!# outta them. not to mention stone arrows were worthless against an iron curiass.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Sloth_DC


Why is it stupid? Cavalry were what was used to overrun machine guns during the War Between the States. No major power phased cavalry out until the 40s - and before you make any Poland jokes, the two countries with the highest percentage of cavalry in 1939 were Germany and the US.

What machine gun did they have in the US Civil War? The infantry on both sides used single shot rifles, if the troops were lucky, they had breach loading weapons and not the muzzle loaders.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by H Tower


What machine gun did they have in the US Civil War? The infantry on both sides used single shot rifles, if the troops were lucky, they had breach loading weapons and not the muzzle loaders.

Gatling guns had a bit of use, but not much.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/gatlinggun.htm

[Enigma_Nova]

Hooray for a free history lesson!

[Standup]

Not true, the spanish only sent like 250 gunpowder units into the new world, and conquried millions of archer natives. Its easyer to shoot a gun then it is to shoot an arrow, and gunpowder is much stronger.

They also brought things like smallpox, flu and various other diseases which the local population had no immunity to.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by Standup


They also brought things like smallpox, flu and various other diseases which the local population had no immunity to.

Excellent point! Sheesh... why didnt I remember that...

[Dis]

Originally posted by Standup


They also brought things like smallpox, flu and various other diseases which the local population had no immunity to.

that had no effect on their ability to conquer those nations. Those were after effects which later decimated the population.

[Clonereject1138]

Well, alchohol decimated natives years later too.