The human get's advantages on noble difficulty too!

[kolpo]

	AI	Human	Explanation
Civic Upkeep Percent	100	80	Human pays 80% of the amount the AI has to pay for civics
Unit Cost Percent	100	50	I was wrong about this effect: effect unknown
Unit Supply Percent	35	100	AI pays 35% of the unit maintenance cost humans have to pay for X units
Unit Upgrade Percent	30	100	The Ai pays 30% of the unit upgrade cost humans ahve to pay
Inflation Percent	70	90	If the total inflation is 10 shall the AI pay 7 gold/turn and the human 9 gold/turn
War Weariness Percent	70	100	The AI has 70% of the war unhappiness humans have
Animal Bonus	-70	-40	An animal with 2 strenght shall have 0.6 strenght vs the Ai and 1.2 strenght vs a human
Barbarian Bonus	-40	-10	A barbarian warrior with 2 strenght shall have 1.2 strenght vs the Ai and 1.8 strenght vs a human

Source: \Assets\XML\GameInfo\CIV4HandicapInfo.xml

The one with teh biggest advantage is in italic. Based on other enteries in this file assume I that unlistened entities mean they have the standard value of 100%.

[Bhruic]

I disagree with your interpretation. I believe that the AI values are multiplied by the general ones. Taking Inflation as an example (since both 'categories' are affected), I believe that humans have to pay 90% of the 'standard' Inflation, where the AI has to pay 63% (70% x 90%).

I have a hard time believing that the AI is paying twice as much as I am to build units on Noble difficulty. Especially considering they always have more than I do.

Bh

[kolpo]

Originally posted by Bhruic
I disagree with your interpretation. I believe that the AI values are multiplied by the general ones. Taking Inflation as an example (since both 'categories' are affected), I believe that humans have to pay 90% of the 'standard' Inflation, where the AI has to pay 63% (70% x 90%).

Bh

If we take unit build cost for example:
20 *100 = 20%
While on noble difficulty this would be 50%. I'm quite 100% sure that the AI get's more handicaps at lower difficulty levels, not the opposide, so I don't think the values are multiplied.

[Bhruic]

Dunno, you may be right. The Unit Cost scale only hits 100% on Deity level. And it only hits parity (or as close as it gets) at Emperor. I still find it impossible to believe that the AI has higher unit costs than I do. It builds a lot more units than me, and I've never seen any indication that it costs it any more to do so.

Bh

[dearmad]

The OP, though his data appears right- is wrong:

I've dropped spies everywhere in a NOBLE game- the AI is paying SAME points for warriors as the human is. But in fact gets its FIRST unit at 1/3rd the cost and time!

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143215

[kolpo]

Originally posted by dearmad
The OP, though his data appears right- is wrong:

I've dropped spies everywhere in a NOBLE game- the AI is paying SAME points for warriors as the human is. But in fact gets its FIRST unit at 1/3rd the cost and time!

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=143215

Yes you are right thus IUnitCostPercent must either mean something else or the AI must works from a different base. Thought when I monitored a team city in the first turn of the game noticed I something odd: it had 4 production/turn while the maxium production it could ever have would be 3 turn.

I shall update my original post to reflect this, I hope we can figure out what IUnitCostPercent exactly does.

[dearmad]

It's sorta complex. The AI gets +10 prod in its first city toward the first military unit it builds too- this isn't in any XML file I can find....

Changing the player percent cost doesn't seem to affect the player's cost either as far as building units... so is this upkeep??

The whole upkeep model in the game is also rather opaque- I cna't figure it out entirely in a way that makes real sense.