"English" Empire?

[zorrofox]

Hi folks. The title says it all really. There was no such thing as an English Empire. There was a British Empire. This is not an unimportant detail. Try playing this game as a Scot and see how it feels.

Surely the developers could have got this right? Is there any way to contact them to see if this can maybe be put right in a subsequent patch? I sure hope so as the game is brilliant otherwise. Once this is publicized I think they'll lose a lot of sales, which would be a shame.

[notyoueither]

I don't see the Scots and Welsh in the game for the English to 'unify' with to create a Great Britain.

OTOH, my Scottish grandmother admonishes me from beyond the grave to see the POV.

[zorrofox]

Scotland and England were already unified before Victoria came along. Listen te yer Granny, man.

[Dr,ape]

Remember you can always rename the empire to your liking.

[Dr,ape]

Also, there is no such thing as the American Empire, either (politics aside). There is the United States of America, even though some hardcore liberal / intellectual-wannabes would like to call it the American Empire.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I don't see the Scots and Welsh in the game for the English to 'unify' with to create a Great Britain.

OTOH, my Scottish grandmother admonishes me from beyond the grave to see the POV.

The Act of Union with Wales was in Henry VIII's reign- before there was a 'Great Britain'- a term which James VI & I was the first monarch to use.

It's simply sloppiness on the part of the company, to go with their inaccurate account of the Persian civilizations.

[ashbery]

Bah,the majority of scots are to busy taking drugs and stealing cars to effect CIV4 sales.

[Martinus]

Well, the civilization is called English since that's the name it always had in game, and they then add "Empire" to the name of each civ, to denote the civilization's state. This game is not a historical simulation.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Martinus

This game is not a historical simulation.

But that is no excuse for inaccuracy- and the makers of Civ III found no problem in giving Scottish great leaders to the English.


It's really an annoyance when people confuse and conflate English with British- it's not as though the pertinent facts are that hard to come by, especially given the weekend's 400th anniversary of the failed attempt to blow up the first monarch of Great Britain.

[lard]

Re: "English" Empire?

Originally posted by zorrofox
Hi folks. The title says it all really. There was no such thing as an English Empire. There was a British Empire. This is not an unimportant detail. Try playing this game as a Scot and see how it feels.

Surely the developers could have got this right? Is there any way to contact them to see if this can maybe be put right in a subsequent patch? I sure hope so as the game is brilliant otherwise. Once this is publicized I think they'll lose a lot of sales, which would be a shame.

IMO, a truly unimportant detail. But then I'm English and not a whiny dundonian!!

Just messing with ya!

[Mao]

Originally posted by Martinus
Well, the civilization is called English since that's the name it always had in game, and they then add "Empire" to the name of each civ, to denote the civilization's state. This game is not a historical simulation.

QFT

And quite frankly, I don't know this should be framed as an economic question, as I truly don't believe Scots/Scots that care about this make up a significant market. It's like if they named "Chinese" "ooga ooga booga" because, well, China's not a really big market for this game and those that like it will buy it anyway. Besides, you can always just change it yourself if you're not happy. It's not like it matters what the vanilla game says.

[zorrofox]

I didn't intend to frame this economically. I couldn't care less about that as they've already got my 30 squid. If this misrepresentation really was insignificant to people, would there be a market for a game of this type in the first place?

These things DO matter.

On a lighter note, my Scotland is doing pretty well for itself at the moment. Still holding the Romans at the gate.

[lard]

30 squid? Saw you coming!

[Kekkonen]

Oh well. If you really want to dig into it, Frederick shouldn't be an option for the Germans, since there was no such thing when he was the king of Prussia. Alexander the Great was actually the king of Macedon, not Greece (although he governed most of Greece most of the time). I don't think there was such an nation as India when that non-Gandhi Indian leader ruled. And I don't remember hearing of an Arabic Empire from my history classes either.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Kekkonen
Oh well. If you really want to dig into it, Frederick shouldn't be an option for the Germans, since there was no such thing when he was the king of Prussia. Alexander the Great was actually the king of Macedon, not Greece (although he governed most of Greece most of the time). I don't think there was such an nation as India when that non-Gandhi Indian leader ruled. And I don't remember hearing of an Arabic Empire from my history classes either.

This is to confuse 'civilization' with state.

It was 'British' civilization that created the British Empire-with Scottish philosophers and economists, Welsh industrialists and Irish writers and soldiers.

What the creators have done is to intermingle the Scottish, Irish and Welsh with the English and call them all English, when a perfectly serviceable and more accurate alternative existed.