Perm. Alliances???

[PFPulse]

What do you have to do to get this?? Is it only available if you do a custom or MP game and set the teams? If so that is really silly. I don't want to be stuck with someone from the beginning of the game, but if I work at diplomacy enough, the option should be there for me to strike up an alliance at some point. I had perfect relations with Rome in one game. Basically 10-15 +'s and no -'s, best I could do was a defensive pact. And in MP, me and a friend were playing against 6-7 AI nations. We were trading techs and stuff all game, but could never get perm. allianced. Whats the deal???

Oh and speaking of defensive pacts, why does it cancel the defensive pact when I get attacked. It seems like the treaty is upheld because my ally goes to war, but it also cancels the treaty. Is this a bug, or by design? It is rather irritating.

[Omegalink]

From what i've gathered there is two ways to get Perm.alliance, first way is to enable it on the Custom Game preferences and then research it (Facism or Communism/im playing with a modded civ) or simply put yourself on the same team as the one you want to ally with.

If any party in the Defensive pact is the aggressor to a war then the pact is automatically cancelled, however if a nation declares war on you while you've got the pact the other party will join you in the war

[PFPulse]

If any party in the Defensive pact is the aggressor to a war then the pact is automatically cancelled, however if a nation declares war on you while you've got the pact the other party will join you in the war

Yeah, I know that, but look when war is declared on you. Your ally will declare war, but it will also say that the defensive pact has been cancled.