Pyramids now a huge imbalance?

[Krill]

meh, I don't complain about stonehenge, simply because it is so cheap. And The point is that it is duplicating the culture effect of a religion.

And Free Obelisks = Culutre = better defense. There have been times when it has been useful, but on the whole, I can see why it is seen as a waste of matérial...

Mind you, I have once built Stonehenge in 3 turns. Bismark, plus stone, plus hills = fast wonders.

[Xmudder]

I consider Stonehenge to be a vital early wonder. Without it, it takes forever for your new cities to spread religion and grow so their cultural borders match up with their city radius. I usually never research Calander until I'm up around astronomy and the rest of the wonder killing techs.

The game I'm playing now is the first one I got Pyramids in. I'm going to throw in National Epic and see if I can't get me some great engineers. Switched to Representaion, which is pretty useless, I don't really need 3 happy people in my 6 cities, but not switching seemed silly.

This is also the first game I'm going warmonger in. The Chinese are penned in and I want their 3 cities. I should probably let them get calender and improve their specials first - but I need the XP so I can build a heroic epic.

First game I stared with both marble and stone, too.

Pyramids are a long term investment. Once you get currency and courthouses, and your cottages grow into towns, early Universal Sufferage can be quite powerful (money to rush + extra hammer). And if you don't build it first, someone else will.

[Simplicity]

Representation is FAR from useless. I think it's the best government civic out there. 3 happy people puts your cities in a permanently happy state and 3 BEAKERS/specialist is huge. Two scientist specialists and a library give you 15 beakers!

[khumak]

Originally posted by Simplicity
Representation is FAR from useless. I think it's the best government civic out there. 3 happy people puts your cities in a permanently happy state and 3 BEAKERS/specialist is huge. Two scientist specialists and a library give you 15 beakers!

I agree. Representation is a HUGE help early in the game. You don't have many cities yet so it's basically 3 extra happy people in ALL of your cities plus the fairly significant research boost. Plus since you don't have that many cities yet the extra cost is not significant. Easily counteracted by building a single shrine.

If you like to build a lot of GPs then it's actually one of the best civics there is because you'll have a bunch of citizens assigned as specialists so it gives you a huge research boost.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Maybe they could make it cheaper and just limit it to any *labor* civic choice. That makes sense (pyramids and labor have a good connection). And labor (in my opinion) is one of the more powerful of the civic choices, plus the one you have to wait the longest to get full access to.

Boy, I really made a bonehead comment there, hehe.

I actually hadn't built pyramids yet, and thought it gave you access to ALL the civic options, not just the government ones. So I was just suggesting you limit it to one area (which it already does I've discovered, heh).

Plus, I mixed up labor and economics anyhow. I think that economics is one of hte more powerful civic choices, not labor. Labor actually is kinda lame. *sigh*

[Jon Shafer]

So when does the Youth Rights civic get modded in Ozzy?

[OzzyKP]

Good idea

Make "universal suffrage" actually universal.

The youth rights civic would add a big tech and culture boost for all the young programmers freed from the shackles of adultocracy and allowed to create and explore their creativity unhindered.



thanks btw to Firaxis for actually recognizing in the civilopedia that "universal suffrage" actually isn't universal. That really gets on my nerves when people use that term and pretend that people under 18 just don't exist. So thanks for being honest about it.