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I've found the AI is really poor at colonizing the new world. I played a time victory and there were about 3 cities in the new world that weren't mine on a huge/terra map. I'm dissapointed, I'd like to see fights between big powers over valuable resources there.
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Let's add in a lot more dialogue from Nimoy in that case....Originally posted by Volstag
Good point. I would also like to add that the vast majority of the civs in Civ IV didn't exist in 4000 B.C. -- so let's get rid of them as well. Let's also remove all non-earth maps, since they don't exist either. In fact, let's just change the entire game so it's nothing more than a rudimentary replay of history w/ no player interaction whatsoever.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Terra maps make the game easier for the human because we know the New World is out there but the AI just treats it as another random map. So, I made a point to colonize the new world as soon as possible. I struggled at first because I underestimated the barbarians but it did not take long for me to have 3 well developped cities on the new world. The AI did colonize the continent a bit after I did but I used a Great Artist to flip two AI cities, then captured 2 barbarian cities. Soon afterwards, I had almost half of the New World under my control. So, my empire more than doubled in size. Now, I am far ahead of the AI in score and should win the spaceship victory without much trouble.Originally posted by Node
I've found the AI is really poor at colonizing the new world. I played a time victory and there were about 3 cities in the new world that weren't mine on a huge/terra map. I'm dissapointed, I'd like to see fights between big powers over valuable resources there.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"Comment
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I disagree on the point that AI dont colonize the new world fast.
In my first game at Noble, when I discovered the new world, I first didnt find any other CIV (but I didnt explorer it total). Because of much war fighting (actually continuesly fighting between me and 3-4 others CIVS in old world (I think more a less a war from early mediveval to early modern, with a short peace once in a while). I did trade worlds maps with some of the more peacefull civs, finding that very fast the entire new continent were filled with cities, so I lost interesting quickly into this and more or less concentrated on old world. Though I got a city (in the new world) by a peace treaty with a hatred enemy. Kept in for while, but found in worthless, the action were in the old world, so I actually gave it away after I crushed the Japenese, were their only city left, were on the new world. And they actually became so kind of (minor) new world civ!
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Speed of going to the ocean varies from civ to civ and game to game, I think. Some seem to lean towards it more than others. However, they never colonize much of the new world, which seems to be the problem.Originally posted by Nik
I disagree on the point that AI dont colonize the new world fast.
Afterall, how many cities did they have at the end of your game?
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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In my latest Terra game (monarch) I had a size 15 city in the New World as the AI's landed their first settlers.
Basically there is time to grab all the best resource spots and conquer most the barb cities.
And even when the AI does start colonies, they really don't invest them. Like I usually ship over all my mainland workers, the AI is just too dumb to do that.Comment
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Agreed, Nik... I've found that the other civs are quick to get to the New World. Even when I've beelined to Astronomy, they get there and colonize. The most annoying thing is that the Barbs keep up technologically. I had a top unit of Rifflemen... once my tech upgraded to Infantry, the AI suddenly had three Riflemen protecting their city... I don't think that Terra is as easy as everyone else says, ESPECIALLY if you're lacking in early resources such as Bronze, Horses, and Iron.Originally posted by Nik
I disagree on the point that AI dont colonize the new world fast.
In my first game at Noble, when I discovered the new world, I first didnt find any other CIV (but I didnt explorer it total). Because of much war fighting (actually continuesly fighting between me and 3-4 others CIVS in old world (I think more a less a war from early mediveval to early modern, with a short peace once in a while). I did trade worlds maps with some of the more peacefull civs, finding that very fast the entire new continent were filled with cities, so I lost interesting quickly into this and more or less concentrated on old world. Though I got a city (in the new world) by a peace treaty with a hatred enemy. Kept in for while, but found in worthless, the action were in the old world, so I actually gave it away after I crushed the Japenese, were their only city left, were on the new world. And they actually became so kind of (minor) new world civ!
"Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." - Sun TzuComment
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Its interesting I can see it from the other end. In civ3 I loved playing the Aztecs on the earth map. I pretty much had the whole continent to myself. I did the same thing with the Earth map (not Terra). As the Aztecs I took out the USA as soon as I could which was pretty early. The Incans are trapped in Peru so I pretty much had the whole continents to myself. I remember the first AI turned up around the 1400s and then there was like a rush soon after. By that point I had controlled pretty much all of N. America, all of C America and had maybe a third of S America under my control. The AI did pretty well I thought setting up colonies where they could on my fringes. Most were eventually absorbed by my culture.
Not sure they would of been any good against the barbarian cities in SA since I had taken all of them out by then.Comment
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