I have to say it

[Dinner]

Attempted to edit and accidentally made a new post.

[Grandpa Troll]

I wouls have t say I love Apolyton, Love Civ and enjoy the reviews you folks put out
However, I am not an expert and this is a game
so ill have CIVIIV,AOEIII & Call of Duty 2 coming this week, all because of the fact I love their varying gamesplays

I enjoy reading the reviews but for real, I made my own decision and will enjoy them

I dont however feel you Markos or Dan have K!$$ed on Firaxis or subverted the system to help sell a product

But nothing wrong in the business world with "Schmoozing" a bit now is their?

Afterall, one hand helps the other...

Of course, not all feel this way and I am single voicing my opinion


Gramps

[Metaliturtle]

I agree with the GT

As far as anyone at apolyton trying to paint a better picture than reality, that's just dumb. If the game is bad but apolyton says that it is good, then they lose their members, apolyton no longer has the base of fans to get information out, and suddenly developers aren't as interested.

I think if there was something seriously wrong with the game, Firaxis would've been informed and fixed it by now.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Verenti
the fact they had to get premission comprimises their integrity as reviewers: It's the "State's Press"

we had to get permissions cause we were under NDA as part of the beta testers team and because there were scheduled features with the major sites.

if the fact that we showed some respect to Firaxis' PR plans compromises our integrity, what can i say....

in the freaking end, we're sending free copies to Yin and Vel to review the game. we wont have them on release day but it's the best we could do....

[MarkG]

and Oerdin
show some mercy

I didn't say you had a conflict of interests

a potential for a conflict of interests

[Verenti]

Sir, don't take my words as an attack on your honour, but more my inheirant distrust for Corperations. I have no doubt that you may be commited as a fan of the franciase, but the reasons why you needed to get permission to publish do not supercede the fact that you indeed needed permission.

Again, Don't take my words as an attack against you or Apolyton. I don't/wouldn't blame you for the fallacies of companies or their products.

and If I didn't like it here, I wouldn't have wasted so much bloody time talking in the forums.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Verenti
Sir, don't take my words as an attack on your honour, but more my inheirant distrust for Corperations. I have no doubt that you may be commited as a fan of the franciase, but the reasons why you needed to get permission to publish do not supercede the fact that you indeed needed permission.

Again, Don't take my words as an attack against you or Apolyton. I don't/wouldn't blame you for the fallacies of companies or their products.

and If I didn't like it here, I wouldn't have wasted so much bloody time talking in the forums.

bloody hell mate we all family here now

dont go twitching no ones nose now

Cheers and have a nice strumpet and a spot 'O tea

sit back watch the changing of the guard at good old Birmingham palace and soon we all be playing civIV

Markos

On me a couple Shots of Ouzo for all my good man

maybe we could sit down and eat some

(looks up 25 year old Greek translation book)

Souvlaki we can eat it at either Thanasis or Kostas on Adrianou

well..its great food anyhoo someone choose

smile be happy and lets do some civin!!

C'mon folks this is supposed to be a happy time (it will be after the Ouzo sits in!!

[Verenti]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


bloody hell mate we all family here now

dont go twitching no ones nose now

Cheers and have a nice strumpet and a spot 'O tea

sit back watch the changing of the guard at good old Birmingham palace and soon we all be playing civIV

Markos

On me a couple Shots of Ouzo for all my good man

maybe we could sit down and eat some

(looks up 25 year old Greek translation book)

Souvlaki we can eat it at either Thanasis or Kostas on Adrianou

well..its great food anyhoo someone choose

smile be happy and lets do some civin!!

C'mon folks this is supposed to be a happy time (it will be after the Ouzo sits in!!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MarkG
and Oerdin
show some mercy

I'm just not feeling the love!

Seriously, I like the site or I wouldn't have paid for a plus account. I just want to give it a month since public perception changed so much a month after Civ3's release.

[yin26]

Originally posted by MarkG
we had to get permissions cause we were under NDA as part of the beta testers team and because there were scheduled features with the major sites.

if the fact that we showed some respect to Firaxis' PR plans compromises our integrity, what can i say....

in the freaking end, we're sending free copies to Yin and Vel to review the game. we wont have them on release day but it's the best we could do....

Rest assured that I will be taking my own angle on the review: AI weakness. Both Markos and Solver like to play the game in the spirit of the programmer's vision for the game (please correct me, Markos or Solver if this is not how you feel). I, however, will look to abuse the system...NOT cheats, mind you. But counter-intutitive play. Pushing game mechanics to look for holes, etc.

In the end, if the AI isn't very strong, I will be disappointed. Of course, with all the modding ability, even this doesn't seem too bad of an outcome (if such an outcome is even the case). And it should go without saying that Firaxis and I don't exactly have a kissy type relationship!

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by yin26


And it should go without saying that Firaxis and I don't exactly have a kissy type relationship!

well Yin26, since apprently we could deduce CIVIII wasnt a great game in your eyes, should CIVIV be a good game, would you consider calling this a Firaxis Reach around for putting the you know what to you on CIV III?

[Dinner]

I honestly liked Civ2 better then Civ3 though I liked the modded version of CTP2 best of all. Of course that engine is now ancient by the standards of the game world. Civ4 is the future but what makes me most hopeful is the apparent modability of Civ4 so that we will be able to fix the inevitable short comings which will be discovered.

In CTP2 you could literally change EVERYTHING and if Civ4 has a similar system then we'll be able to sand down any rough edges. Like Yin my biggest concern has to do with the AI; it must be up to par though a close second is the stability/ease of use of the multiplayer game.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by yin26
Both Markos and Solver like to play the game in the spirit of the programmer's vision for the game (please correct me, Markos or Solver if this is not how you feel).

hmmmmm i'm not sure what you mean, i'm playing based on what feels better to me, i didnt go about asking Soren what his vision was

[Harovan]

I hate to say it, but Oerdin and KrazyHorse look like much better candidates... does this mean I have to part with my valued negativity torch?

[Egbert]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
I hate to say it, but Oerdin and KrazyHorse look like much better candidates... does this mean I have to part with my valued negativity torch?

Yes. KrazyHorse beats you hands down, no contest, he completely outclassed you. No offense old chap, at best you get the bronze medal and I rather doubt you even deserve so much as the bronze.